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SammyC

Highly recommend it Donsteppa.
 
it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. 
 
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This isn't a new problem, and has been around the lower levels for a while now.
 
Grantland (RIP) did this great article a while ago about betting in the Futures Leagues, really interesting stuff:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ '>http://grantland.com/features/the-futures-is-bleak/ </a>
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Excellent read, thanks for posting

Donsteppa

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Highly recommend it Donsteppa.
 
it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. 
 
 
Excellent read, thanks for posting
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My only concern is that it'll give me more detail on the specifics, but will do very little to change my existing fear along the lines that "Cricket is a game of much beauty but we must accept that it co-exists with what looks like an indestructible ugliness."

Siam

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My only concern is that it'll give me more detail on the specifics, but will do very little to change my existing fear along the lines that "Cricket is a game of much beauty but we must accept that it co-exists with what looks like an indestructible ugliness."</blockquote>
Nah its a more proactive antifixing environment now Don. 
The betting is still huge in India but the whole thing falls down if players don't subscribe and can't recruit other players. 
A valid reason to protect and not disadvantage whistleblowers. Not other guilty players, but the ones who get approached and turn it down. 
There'll never be a paper trail or real proof, only taped conversations or testimonies, as we saw in London last year

No Quarter

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All sports betting in India is illegal.
 
This was discuused at length in the Cairns thread, but I suggest you read "Bookie, Gambler, Fixer, Spy".
 
The image that you guys have of players bowling no balls to order (or serving up double faults) and some bookmaker or Gambler in India making money from that is crap. The way the western media report this stuff is just plain wrong. 
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Will do Sammy, thanks.

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="553111" data-time="1453085048">Highly recommend it Donsteppa. 
it will change your perspective of cricket and sports betting. 
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So if our understanding of how spot fixing works is wrong then Lou Vincents testimony was bullshit. He explicitly described scenarios along the lines of how we imagine it works (and how I expect tennis does)

antipodean

TBH this would be the only way to make tennis worth watching.

gollum

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So if our understanding of how spot fixing works is wrong then Lou Vincents testimony was bullshit. He explicitly described scenarios along the lines of how we imagine it works (and how I expect tennis does)
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You very much USED to be able to bet on things like no balls in first over, runs between over 10-15 etc, till everyone realised how easy that was to fix - and was fixed. Go back to the 90's that was a viable bet. Not any more.

Tim

The analysis used in the investigation is detailed here:
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://github.com/BuzzFeedNews/2016-01-tennis-betting-analysis'>https://github.com/BuzzFeedNews/2016-01-tennis-betting-analysis</a>

raznomore

Please don't let my precious roger be involved....Unless he been throwing the last 4 years worths of Grand Slam finals. Then he's even more awesome...

NTA

Djokovic has said in the press that he was approached early in his career with $200K to throw a game. It was reported at the time apparently, which makes the tennis bosses look like pricks in light of recent reporting.

No Quarter

I see Nadal suspiciously lost his opening match of the Australian open...

NTA

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My thoughts exactly

Virgil

The woman's number 2 seed was beaten as well, the fix is well and truly on...

Donsteppa

The last three posts are again what make me loathe match/spot fixers so much - we go from random things being "the joys of sport" to being possibly suspicious (even in jest).

Virgil

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="553350" data-time="1453226161">The last three posts are again what make me loathe match/spot fixers so much - we go from random things being "the joys of sport" to being possibly suspicious (even in jest).</blockquote>
 
It's like every time Pakistan lose a cricket match, either a game they should have gone on to win ( shelling easy catches, batsmen throwing away their wicket) or a truly poor performance against a lower side they should always beat. It's Pakistan they do fall apart for legitimate reasons sometimes, but we will always suspect they are on the take.

ploughboy

have just read david walshs book the program( about lance armstrong) then seen the movie.it makes you question so much about sport.

Crucial

In a way, fixing in tennis is probably one of the more damaging ones. A cricketer throwing away his wicket at a certain point is an event that could have happened anyway, and unless a whole team is in on a fix then still leaves the other players all doing the 'right' thing.
Tennis though is one on one. Spectators only pay and watch because they see entertainment in watching a competition between two players. Fixing removes that competition and they are watching a complete farce.
Sure, a clever player could even provide them with more entertainment, falling behind then battling back only to fail in the end but I doubt that happens

reprobate

and a very easy one due to only needing one person to fix, and that fixing effort is impossible to be undermined by the performance of any other player - short of injury to the other.
 
buncha fluffybunnies.

Crucial

I wonder what other sports are rife for fixing?
 
Golf? Too random maybe? The variables of erractic form, different courses and weather make betting on golf a mugs game anyway. Possibly some ability to influence in the last round once variables have settled but then the money for players by doing their best probably outweighs what a fixer would pay. Maybe some profit in where a middle of the pack player ends up on the results sheet but even then he would be having to work around the performances of others.
 
Soccer? Really only goalies and maybe defenders being able to influence scores or results. But only when the chance presents itself by the general play.
 
Darts? Plenty of scope there.
 
Rugby? Pretty low chance. would need to be the captain taking options (when penalties present themselves)

Bovidae

As Federer said, let's see some names. According to the TV news, one of the names on the list is a former US Open champ. Given the geographical locations of the betting syndicates who made millions on match fixing one name stands out.
 
Crucial, baseball and basketball are two sports that spring to mind. Baseball could be manipulated in the same way as cricket with balls and strikes.

The Silver Fern

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