All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@steven-harris Aaron Smith would have known where he was wanting the next 2 phases to go so when he arrived he shifts the ball for the next phase before they can reorganise, if we don't breach the line we wun a penalty.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meanwhile, Ardie spent two minutes on extreme touchline (out of sight) whilst we got agressively counter rucked in centre of field.
From where I’m sitting a chip over the top would have been the smart play?Could have been that or a grubber for players to run onto. Either way there's nothing to hold up the rush defence, and no reason for the Boks to play a fullback in that space if they know the ABs are never kicking it.
I just booted up Stan to have a look at that exact moment - there are 2 ABs on the ground (ball carrier and assist), 2 Boks on the ground, Laulala standing there doing nothing, and Weber. Already you're 2 men down. The Boks have numbers there to match because Savea is still hands on knees on the wing - and very deep.
BB gets the ball but hesitates under the rush - he's got nowhere to run or pass, so should have takent the contact or nudged it through.
The subsequent ruck is a mess, but Weber recovers. Then Kolisi pushes BB and Jacobson clear off the ball at the ruck forming over Weber, and Retallick is forced to toe it through as it squirts out.
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby what that picture does show is how slow the ball was , plenty of time for the defence to reset.
It was about the same speed as the ones leading up to it - on or just under 2 seconds from the player hitting the deck to the ball leaving the halfback's hands. A touch longer. The issue is you're doing nothing with the ball you've got, so going faster isn't going to achieve much.
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Reason raised an excellent point in his article today. When Aumua was instructed to fake his injury before the last scrum, it resulted in the ref stopping the clock until both scrums were set. Had Aumua not done that that, a further 20-30 seconds would have ticked on before the scrum would have been completed and we possibly would have only needed one more ruck before booting it out. Dumb play.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Reason raised an excellent point in his article today. When Aumua was instructed to fake his injury before the last scrum, it resulted in the ref stopping the clock until both scrums were set. Had Aumua not done that that, a further 20-30 seconds would have ticked on before the scrum would have been completed and we possibly would have only needed one more ruck before booting it out. Dumb play.
Yes read his article this time he is correct on most of his article.A few well made points in it.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Reason raised an excellent point in his article today. When Aumua was instructed to fake his injury before the last scrum, it resulted in the ref stopping the clock until both scrums were set. Had Aumua not done that that, a further 20-30 seconds would have ticked on before the scrum would have been completed and we possibly would have only needed one more ruck before booting it out. Dumb play.
Yes read his article this time he is correct on most of his article.A few well made points in it.
Monkeys and typewriters and all that.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Reason raised an excellent point in his article today. When Aumua was instructed to fake his injury before the last scrum, it resulted in the ref stopping the clock until both scrums were set. Had Aumua not done that that, a further 20-30 seconds would have ticked on before the scrum would have been completed and we possibly would have only needed one more ruck before booting it out. Dumb play.
Yes read his article this time he is correct on most of his article.A few well made points in it.
Surprised me too. Hardly a touch of bitterness* and even just the one I watch other sports and good coaches do too comment.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Reason raised an excellent point in his article today. When Aumua was instructed to fake his injury before the last scrum, it resulted in the ref stopping the clock until both scrums were set. Had Aumua not done that that, a further 20-30 seconds would have ticked on before the scrum would have been completed and we possibly would have only needed one more ruck before booting it out. Dumb play.
Yes read his article this time he is correct on most of his article.A few well made points in it.
Surprised me too. Hardly a touch of bitterness* and even just the one I watch other sports and good coaches do too comment.
*He's probably in love. Poor bugger.HaHa or poor women or man.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meanwhile, Ardie spent two minutes on extreme touchline (out of sight) whilst we got agressively counter rucked in centre of field.
From where I’m sitting a chip over the top would have been the smart play?Could have been that or a grubber for players to run onto. Either way there's nothing to hold up the rush defence, and no reason for the Boks to play a fullback in that space if they know the ABs are never kicking it.
I just booted up Stan to have a look at that exact moment - there are 2 ABs on the ground (ball carrier and assist), 2 Boks on the ground, Laulala standing there doing nothing, and Weber. Already you're 2 men down. The Boks have numbers there to match because Savea is still hands on knees on the wing - and very deep. BB gets the ball but hesitates under the rush - he's got nowhere to run or pass, so should have takent the contact or nudged it through.
The subsequent ruck is a mess, but Weber recovers. Then Kolisi pushes BB and Jacobson clear off the ball at the ruck forming over Weber, and Retallick is forced to toe it through as it squirts out.
To be fair there is some very good work before and Q4 on blind, with holes found and good cleans.
But in centre of park in broken play AB forwards spread out and meant no one hitting ball from depth, cleaners having to run across before hitting rucks, and backs sometimes having to do the cleaning. Very static and absolutely no momentum.
Whereas running through onto grubber (not much space to thread through), targets, faster ball and hopefully multi phases.
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@bones is somethign a few 9s have been getting away with a bit more...plus not even pretending to put the ball down the middle....
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bones is somethign a few 9s have been getting away with a bit more...plus not even pretending to put the ball down the middle....
It's quite frustrating to watch every other team but us do it - spending 30 seconds fucking around rolling the ball to exactly where you want it, by hand or foot....maybe another 30 seconds if you want to box kick. Why don't we do this?
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@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 is he saying the All Blacks were instructed to slow the game down? The week leading up to the test it was a mayor moan about the Springboks.
Shhhhhhhhh........You must have realized by now that a lot of shit is talked over here and we only moan when it affects our team.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meanwhile, Ardie spent two minutes on extreme touchline (out of sight) whilst we got agressively counter rucked in centre of field.
From where I’m sitting a chip over the top would have been the smart play?Could have been that or a grubber for players to run onto. Either way there's nothing to hold up the rush defence, and no reason for the Boks to play a fullback in that space if they know the ABs are never kicking it.
I just booted up Stan to have a look at that exact moment - there are 2 ABs on the ground (ball carrier and assist), 2 Boks on the ground, Laulala standing there doing nothing, and Weber. Already you're 2 men down. The Boks have numbers there to match because Savea is still hands on knees on the wing - and very deep. BB gets the ball but hesitates under the rush - he's got nowhere to run or pass, so should have takent the contact or nudged it through.
The subsequent ruck is a mess, but Weber recovers. Then Kolisi pushes BB and Jacobson clear off the ball at the ruck forming over Weber, and Retallick is forced to toe it through as it squirts out.
To be fair there is some very good work before and Q4 on blind, with holes found and good cleans.
But in centre of park in broken play AB forwards spread out and meant no one hitting ball from depth, cleaners having to run across before hitting rucks, and backs sometimes having to do the cleaning. Very static and absolutely no momentum.
Whereas running through onto grubber (not much space to thread through), targets, faster ball and hopefully multi phases.
Yeah, there was one good attacking play into their 22m from a midfield scrum. Rather than pumping that channel where they were short of defenders and scrambling, we went back into midfield where the entire SA 8 had jogged back to after the scrum and, from memory, the play died with a turnover shortly thereafter.
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When you need him the most, Ardie Savea will be there
Even in losing sides, Ardie Savea always remains one of the best players on the park.
