All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
Couldn’t agree more.
Designed to frustrate us? They try a (new) strategy, it works, so they abandon it..
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo maybe if you take out games against Fiji and Tonga? it would add more perspective.
I didn't mention the games against Fiji and Tonga. They aren't relevant. (due respect to Fiji and Tonga)
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@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm livid nzr extended Foster's contact before this tour, absolutely livid
Massive, massive mistake. NZRU has gone to hell since Tew retired.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm livid nzr extended Foster's contact before this tour, absolutely livid
livid=discoloured by bruising? That seems an apt description for an AB fan this season.
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@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
They did go off the boil. But then so did we.
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Season breakdown...
- need to get props that do more than just scrum. what happened to the Joe Moody who tore it up at RWC15?
- Hookers - we're ok here. Have options. Sami T. is a beast. Coles will always compete. If Cody Taylor can find his form
- Locks... Retallick hasn't been the same since the injury prior to RWC'19 - Need to back in a young aggressive lock - Tupou, Josh Lord, whoever.
- Loosie mix all kinda fucked, what was once an area of strength, is confused, muddled and unsure who our best 3 and bench is.
- Aaron Smith... and then... who? Finlay, Brad W., Fakatava?
- Beaudy & Richie can lead us to RWC glory, but not if the forwards don't lay a platform. BB does a bit better, RM has regressed under Foster - here's hoping he can rebuild in Super Rugby
- Need some wingers - Caleb Clarke might be useful as a power wing if he can rediscover some form.
- ALB needs to be at 12. I don't rate Goodhue, but maybe we are actually missing him? Rieko should be 13. and 14. He's a weapon and has to be on the field. I think Will Jordan should definitely be one wing.
- Jordie is our 15.
- Players I don't ever want to see in big AB games again - Damien McKenzie, David Haviili, TJ Perenara.
- Coaching & coaching succession is fucked. Has been since SBW got the red card in the second Lions test. We showed the template in Game 1. and never went back to it. Everything off 9. Much like the French just played us tonight.
Posted it before, good news is South Africa showed things can be changed in 12months, bad news is I don't believe Foster can do it.
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We have had bad years in the recent past, but this is somewhat different from them.
Usually bad years came about when we had just had a few older players retire, or we were trying new tactics. Sometimes when we tried to get too clever with "rotation". But it is a long time since we were beaten in consecutive games quite so convincingly by NH opposition. A very long time.
We had a bad year in 1998. It appeared to get better, then it didn't. And the coach took almost all the blame (anyone remember the "Guilty"cover of NZ Rugby World?)
The whole world knows how to beat us now (except Australia). And our coaches have no idea what to do.
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@westcoastie
TLDR: Foster out. -
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@antipodean although brain farts less likely if you aren't chasing the game and playing with a plan that works.
For me, whatever game plan they have, it doesn't seem we can play it, or the players aren't all in, which will cause players to make poor decisions.
I can cut them some slack for the long tour, and had they played well for 60 and got run over in the final quarter, but we weren't, we are just playing poorly.
All is not well, we need our team on the same page, but I can't see anything changing between now and next year, and 2022.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
We have had bad years in the recent past, but this is somewhat different from them.
Usually bad years came about when we had just had a few older players retire, or we were trying new tactics. Sometimes when we tried to get too clever with "rotation". But it is a long time since we were beaten in consecutive games quite so convincingly by NH opposition. A very long time.
We had a bad year in 1998. It appeared to get better, then it didn't. And the coach took almost all the blame (anyone remember the "Guilty"cover of NZ Rugby World?)
The whole world knows how to beat us now (except Australia). And our coaches have no idea what to do.
New tactics would have been good. Even if we lost, trying new things would have been a tiny mercy.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 all Duluth. It’s a great area of the site.
It really is. I wish we (you) could work out a way to steal stats from the other sites, so we could have them here for the inevitable shitfights.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.The really frustrating thing is that in parts tonite - 40-60 mins - they were great. But once things started to go wrong, so many players seemed to fall apart and they weren't the newer players either.
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
