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<p>Can anyone tell me what John Key has done to be SO disliked by those who doslike hin?<br><br>
Sure he's right wing but ... ?</p>
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<p>I think there is a healthy dose of the tall poppy syndrome going on. Even though it is a bonus he's had a life outside of politics and was seemingly very good at what he did, the personal wealth thing really seems to claw a lot of blackboards.</p> -
<p>I don't really understand that. It's not like he had a trust fund like Trump.</p>
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<p>Shouldn't NZ society celebrate those who have made a lot of money themselves on the international stage? And even more so if the field (finance) has a lot of skills transferable to running the country?</p> -
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<p>Shouldn't NZ society celebrate those who have made a lot of money themselves on the international stage? And even more so if the field (finance) has a lot of skills transferable to running the country?</p>
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<p>How much money do I need to make before you poor menial fuckers have to throw a party for me? I assume that since I haven't yet got a knighthood like Michael Fay, Bob Jones, Ron Brierley, Peter Talley....that I haven't made enough yet. But, get the balloons and the paper hats ready!</p> -
<p>I assume it's because he's glib and teflon coated which detractors see as smarmy and untrustworthy.</p>
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<p>They will also hate him simply because he's a lightning rod for their disappointment at the lefts performance.</p>
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<p>He does rely on personality politics so it's hardly surprising that he is the bogeyman for the emasculated left.</p>
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<p>That explains the antipathy of those who engage in political debate. Quite why Key and his policies TPPA - the flag etc - are so despised by the FB generation een when they have no idea what the issues are is beyond me.</p>
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<p>Key does polarise people though. For al the haters there are also the fans who idolise him and treat him like some sort of combination of Pericles/Pitt the Younger/the Founding Fathers/ Gandhi and Mandela. Both extremes are equally invalid and ridiculous.</p> -
<p>Only the first comment there applies to me. The guy just loves attention and once he realised that being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters he overplays it.</p>
<p>I just find that he lacks statesman like qualities and that is what disappoints me about someone in such a strong position to make meaningful change.</p> -
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<p>Only the first comment there applies to me. The guy just loves attention and once he realised that being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters he overplays it.</p>
<p>I just find that he lacks statesman like qualities and that is what disappoints me about someone in such a strong position to make meaningful change.</p>
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<p>To be fair, I don't know of a PM that doesn't love attention</p> -
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<p>Only the first comment there applies to me. The guy just loves attention and once he realised that being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters he overplays it.</p>
<p>I just find that he lacks statesman like qualities and that is what disappoints me about someone in such a strong position to make meaningful change.</p>
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<p>What does 'statesman like' even mean really? I just find criticism like that rather meaningless, almost as if people cannot really find anything specific so resort to vague generalisations.</p> -
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<p>Shouldn't NZ society celebrate those who have made a lot of money themselves on the international stage? And even more so if the field (finance) has a lot of skills transferable to running the country?</p>
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<p>Thats not how it works in NZ at all. There are parallels to how the average kiwi views the wealthy to Clarkson's column on Britain here.</p>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://recombu.com/cars/article/jeremy-clarkson-says-british-people-are-mealy-mouthed-bitter-and-racked-with-hate#'>https://recombu.com/cars/article/jeremy-clarkson-says-british-people-are-mealy-mouthed-bitter-and-racked-with-hate#</a></div> -
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What does 'statesman like' even mean really? I just find criticism like that rather meaningless, almost as if people cannot really find anything specific so resort to vague generalisations.</p></blockquote>
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It's interesting that he's pretty close to Obama and the Aussie pm said he sees him as a role model. <br><br>
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<p>Alternatively they could recognise</p>
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<p>Thats not how it works in NZ at all. There are parallels to how the average kiwi views the wealthy to Clarkson's column on Britain here.</p>
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<div><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://recombu.com/cars/article/jeremy-clarkson-says-british-people-are-mealy-mouthed-bitter-and-racked-with-hate#'>https://recombu.com/cars/article/jeremy-clarkson-says-british-people-are-mealy-mouthed-bitter-and-racked-with-hate#</a></div>
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<p>Alternatively they could have recognised it was Clarkson and aren't letting him in, not because of the Ferrari, but because he is a smug, narcissistic, bullying, arrogant fuck-knuckle</p> -
<p>Upon further reflection on what a 'statesman ' is supposed to be like.. all I can up with is from examples of those described as statesman in the past.. they have usually been good at bringing sides together from various view points to find a common ground. Key def has not managed that. But with the feral opposition he is dealing with.. nobody could. The left in NZ are to busy opposing absolutely everything he does because HE is doing it for much statesman like conduct to be occurring. Look at the flag debate.</p>
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<p>I think Crucial's not-a-statesman argument is invalid, given that "being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters".</p>
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<p>I can't be a 100% certain, but I imagine goofy-dorkism and statesman-like are mutually exclusive qualities.</p>
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<p>I do find Key's popularism has worked against National doing anything progressive, despite being given possibly the best chance to do something different since the 1930's (electorate prepared to take their medicine post GFC coupled with a totally limp opposition).</p>
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<p>I think Crucial's not-a-statesman argument is invalid, given that "being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters".</p>
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<p>I can't be a 100% certain, but I imagine goofy-dorkism and statesman-like are mutually exclusive qualities.</p>
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<p>I do find Key's popularism has worked against National doing anything progressive, despite being given possibly the best chance to do something different since the 1930's (electorate prepared to take their medicine post GFC coupled with a totally limp opposition).</p>
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<p>He really does seem hell-bent on not only surpassing Holyoake's length of tenure but also his blandness.</p>
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<p>He has done a lot! Mostly moving left and stealing any possible policies that labour might come up with.</p> -
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<p>He has done a lot! Mostly moving left and stealing any possible policies that labour might come up with.</p>
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<p>When the histories of Key's premiership are written in the future, I don't think they will focus on his policy initiatives.</p>
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<p>More his popularism, popularity, making the role more presidential and the various imbroglio's.</p> -
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Holden Statesman<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjm3YSD0vHMAhVInZQKHaePBK0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbestcarmag.com%2Fmakes%2FHolden%2FStatesman&psig=AFQjCNGsqgrTpbBNmKqQezfHZxEltRce2A&ust=1464142500262407"><img src="http://bestcarmag.com/sites/default/files/95357464537261711_6557151cfc.jpg" alt="95357464537261711_6557151cfc.jpg"></a></p></blockquote>
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I think Crucial's not-a-statesman argument is invalid, given that "being a goofy dork actually seemed to endear him to voters".<br><br>
I can't be a 100% certain, but I imagine goofy-dorkism and statesman-like are mutually exclusive qualities.<br><br>
I do find Key's popularism has worked against National doing anything progressive, despite being given possibly the best chance to do something different since the 1930's (electorate prepared to take their medicine post GFC coupled with a totally limp opposition).<br><br>
He really does seem hell-bent on not only surpassing Holyoake's length of tenure but also his blandness.</p></blockquote>
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What do you mean by something different ?<br><br>
As for bland , I'll take bland over utter prick- Muldoon ,or quick witted flake- Lange any day of the week and twice in Sunday's . <br><br>
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<p>In the flesh, he's quite similar to how he comes across on TV actually.</p>
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<p>He likes to talk "off the cuff" and leavens everything with anecdotes.</p>
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<p>Doesn't strike me as having the intellect that Clark projected but no dummy.</p>
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<p>Quite hands off, but likes to see some tangibles happen. So leave the big picture stuff to others but might focus on one point and want to see that happen.</p>
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<p>Comes across as a competent middle manager. Don't get the hero worship but it is very tangible (especially amongst the "ladies of a certain age")</p>
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<p>He is very good at giving people the impression he's fascinated by them - for the 30 seconds he engages with them.</p>
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<p>In terms of something different - tax reform!</p>
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