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    Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks

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    • Tim
      Tim last edited by

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11996677

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        Virgil last edited by

        Doesnt this belong in the conspiracy thread?

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        • Nepia
          Nepia @Virgil last edited by

          @virgil said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

          Doesnt this belong in the conspiracy thread?

          It's already in there isn't in?

          But does it really fit in with all the loony conspiracies?

          Hmmm, do I have any tinfoil in the kitchen?

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          • booboo
            booboo last edited by

            @Virgil @Nepia Yeah I put it in the Conspiracy theories as a bit of a joke.

            I don't think there is any conspiracy, but he does point out some inconsistencies and does make some good points.

            But every sports fan feels their team is being picked on.

            It's just true in our case ...

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            • pukunui
              pukunui last edited by

              While i don't think it points to conspiracy against the ABs i think it definitely points to World Rugby being incompetent and threatening the integrity of the game.
              Pretty much every team could make a list similar to this from the last 10-15 years. It shouldn't happen though.

              Just off the top of my head for the Boks they could include the card to Bismark for a good tackle on Carter. A similar card for Vermuelan for smashing a Wallaby. The reffing of the 2011 Qtr against the Wallabies and im sure there are plenty more.

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              • antipodean
                antipodean last edited by

                Hanlon's razor applies here. World Rugby are too incompetent to be master-minding a conspiracy.

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                • Billy Tell
                  Billy Tell last edited by

                  Such a stupid article. Which individuals does he think are leading this crusade? Iโ€™m pretty sure NZ has representation at World Rugby. Have these guys been turned? Itโ€™s just another of these ridiculous Them vs Us pieces.

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                  • Unite
                    Unite last edited by Unite

                    The Greyling one still amazes me.

                    and I donโ€™t trust Gosper for some reason.

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                    • Chester Draws
                      Chester Draws @pukunui last edited by

                      @pukunui said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                      Just off the top of my head for the Boks they could include the card to Bismark for a good tackle on Carter. A similar card for Vermuelan for smashing a Wallaby. The reffing of the 2011 Qtr against the Wallabies and im sure there are plenty more.

                      A loss to Ireland due to a very bad call enraged Bok fans a few years back.

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                      • booboo
                        booboo @Chester Draws last edited by

                        @chester-draws said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                        @pukunui said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                        Just off the top of my head for the Boks they could include the card to Bismark for a good tackle on Carter. A similar card for Vermuelan for smashing a Wallaby. The reffing of the 2011 Qtr against the Wallabies and im sure there are plenty more.

                        A loss to Ireland due to a very bad call enraged Bok fans a few years back.

                        That the "talk to your team" ... "nah play on play on .. " call?

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                        • Rancid Schnitzel
                          Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                          The fact that Powell wasn't cited was always dodgy as hell. The whole process is so damn random, but I guess that applies to everyone.

                          I'd actually forgotten/surpressed what that dodgy frog bastard did in the Lions series. Just imagine if it had been the other way round.

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                          • Chester Draws
                            Chester Draws @booboo last edited by

                            @booboo

                            Yeah, that's the one. I generally don't get too worked up about ref's calls, especially if my teams aren't playing, but that was atrocious. Possibly the worst call I have ever seen in many decades of watching the game. He literally told them to stop playing and then let the other side play on.

                            NZ have had a few shockers, but we also have a few soft ones when refs favour us because we are expected to win.

                            We've now won two RWCs, so some might think we are overly dominant, but that doesn't explain events before 2015, because we hadn't at that point (and we had a record of not doing well under the expectation of a RWC).

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                            • Catogrande
                              Catogrande @Rancid Schnitzel last edited by Catogrande

                              @rancid-schnitzel said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                              The fact that Powell wasn't cited was always dodgy as hell. The whole process is so damn random, but I guess that applies to everyone.

                              I'd actually forgotten/surpressed what that dodgy frog bastard did in the Lions series. Just imagine if it had been the other way round.

                              Yep, there would likely be a whole article by some dodgy journo wailing about a conspiracy. ๐Ÿ˜†

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                              • Tim
                                Tim last edited by

                                Watch McCaw get up, he was very groggy.

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                                • Tim
                                  Tim last edited by

                                  Not even a penalty for that. Forget about a citing.

                                  Really pathetic level of rule enforcement.

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                                  • MajorRage
                                    MajorRage last edited by

                                    Forgetting about who etc, the ref for that powell incident should been dragged over the coals for player safety.

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                                    • Rancid Schnitzel
                                      Rancid Schnitzel @Catogrande last edited by

                                      @catogrande said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                      @rancid-schnitzel said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                      The fact that Powell wasn't cited was always dodgy as hell. The whole process is so damn random, but I guess that applies to everyone.

                                      I'd actually forgotten/surpressed what that dodgy frog bastard did in the Lions series. Just imagine if it had been the other way round.

                                      Yep, there would likely be a whole article by some dodgy journo wailing about a conspiracy. ๐Ÿ˜†

                                      Just one?

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                                      • Crucial
                                        Crucial last edited by

                                        To say that there is some kind of plan to get the ABs is plain stupid. Everybody gets controversial decisions.

                                        However, there is a decent case that WR react differently to controversies in the NH. Maybe it's because of media pressure/appearance sake etc but they have built a list of evidence that they react to public and media questioning far more when it happens up north than they do to anything in the SH.

                                        I just think that WR individuals get put under more personal pressure when things happen around them and they can't/don't ignore the situation.

                                        I really do think that if the Lions 3rd test situation had been the other way around there would have been a statement from WR about it. The fish heads wouldn't have been able to have a drink in peace until it was cleared up.

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                                        • jegga
                                          jegga @Unite last edited by

                                          @unite said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                          The Greyling one still amazes me.

                                          and I donโ€™t trust Gosper for some reason.

                                          He Australian. Do you need another reason?

                                          :::

                                          Spoiler Text

                                          :::

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                                          • taniwharugby
                                            taniwharugby @Crucial last edited by taniwharugby

                                            @crucial they were pretty quick to come out and say we got it wrong with the TMO in the Wales v England game, although this one didnt really decide the outcome did it, so less controversial?

                                            I still think the penalty we copped in the 2nd test for 'tackling SInckler in the air' as he was hurdling a player on the ground was as bigger fuck up as the 'we have a deal'

                                            but neither really points to a conspiracy

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                                            • Rancid Schnitzel
                                              Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                              Perhaps it's a true reflection on NZs actual influence on the administration of the game. For all the success of the NZ teams on the field, NZ doesn't wield much power off it. If the RFU or British press are pissed off about something then WR will take notice, but I doubt they give two shits about the NZRFU and the NZ press. Maybe the top dogs in NZ have to be more forceful. Maybe that still won't make a difference. But there is no way in hell that Powell and Rougerie should have gotten away with what they did.

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                                              • canefan
                                                canefan @Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                @rancid-schnitzel said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                Perhaps it's a true reflection on NZs actual influence on the administration of the game. For all the success of the NZ teams on the field, NZ doesn't wield much power off it. If the RFU or British press are pissed off about something then WR will take notice, but I doubt they give two shits about the NZRFU and the NZ press. Maybe the top dogs in NZ have to be more forceful. Maybe that still won't make a difference. But there is no way in hell that Powell and Rougerie should have gotten away with what they did.

                                                It's always been this way. Take away the tackled player not being able to play the ball on the ground? Take away rucking? Bring in mauling, take it away, bring it back again? The powers that be change the rules and we just adapt better.

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                                                  Godder @canefan last edited by

                                                  @canefan said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                  @rancid-schnitzel said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                  Perhaps it's a true reflection on NZs actual influence on the administration of the game. For all the success of the NZ teams on the field, NZ doesn't wield much power off it. If the RFU or British press are pissed off about something then WR will take notice, but I doubt they give two shits about the NZRFU and the NZ press. Maybe the top dogs in NZ have to be more forceful. Maybe that still won't make a difference. But there is no way in hell that Powell and Rougerie should have gotten away with what they did.

                                                  It's always been this way. Take away the tackled player not being able to play the ball on the ground? Take away rucking? Bring in mauling, take it away, bring it back again? The powers that be change the rules and we just adapt better.

                                                  Bang on - look up Wing Forward for another example...

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                                                  • canefan
                                                    canefan @Godder last edited by

                                                    @godder said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                    @canefan said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                    @rancid-schnitzel said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                    Perhaps it's a true reflection on NZs actual influence on the administration of the game. For all the success of the NZ teams on the field, NZ doesn't wield much power off it. If the RFU or British press are pissed off about something then WR will take notice, but I doubt they give two shits about the NZRFU and the NZ press. Maybe the top dogs in NZ have to be more forceful. Maybe that still won't make a difference. But there is no way in hell that Powell and Rougerie should have gotten away with what they did.

                                                    It's always been this way. Take away the tackled player not being able to play the ball on the ground? Take away rucking? Bring in mauling, take it away, bring it back again? The powers that be change the rules and we just adapt better.

                                                    Bang on - look up Wing Forward for another example...

                                                    Google wing forward and it comes up with flanker....?

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                                                    • Bovidae
                                                      Bovidae @canefan last edited by

                                                      @canefan

                                                      Dave Gallaher was one of the best exponents of wing-forward.

                                                      From wiki:
                                                      The use of a wing-forward provoked controversy both in New Zealand, and later in the British Isles after the All Blacks toured there in 1905; wing-forwards were often accused of off-side obstruction of the opposition half-back. The wing-forward continued as a vital component of New Zealand rugby until long-standing complaints from the unions of the Home Nations resulted in the position being outlawed by the International Rugby Football Board in 1932.

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                                                      • Catogrande
                                                        Catogrande @Bovidae last edited by

                                                        @bovidae said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                        @canefan

                                                        Dave Gallaher was one of the best exponents of wing-forward.

                                                        From wiki:
                                                        The use of a wing-forward provoked controversy both in New Zealand, and later in the British Isles after the All Blacks toured there in 1905; wing-forwards were often accused of off-side obstruction of the opposition half-back. The wing-forward continued as a vital component of New Zealand rugby until long-standing complaints from the unions of the Home Nations resulted in the position being outlawed by the International Rugby Football Board in 1932.

                                                        There you have it. Flankers, cheating since 1905.

                                                        God bless us. ๐Ÿ•ถ

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                                                        • canefan
                                                          canefan @Catogrande last edited by

                                                          @catogrande said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                          @bovidae said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                          @canefan

                                                          Dave Gallaher was one of the best exponents of wing-forward.

                                                          From wiki:
                                                          The use of a wing-forward provoked controversy both in New Zealand, and later in the British Isles after the All Blacks toured there in 1905; wing-forwards were often accused of off-side obstruction of the opposition half-back. The wing-forward continued as a vital component of New Zealand rugby until long-standing complaints from the unions of the Home Nations resulted in the position being outlawed by the International Rugby Football Board in 1932.

                                                          There you have it. Flankers, cheating since 1905.

                                                          God bless us. ๐Ÿ•ถ

                                                          Sir Richard McGod. Peak flanker

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                                                            Derm McCrum @Catogrande last edited by

                                                            @catogrande said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                            @bovidae said in Gregor Paul: How World Rugby conspired against the All Blacks:

                                                            @canefan

                                                            Dave Gallaher was one of the best exponents of wing-forward.

                                                            From wiki:
                                                            The use of a wing-forward provoked controversy both in New Zealand, and later in the British Isles after the All Blacks toured there in 1905; wing-forwards were often accused of off-side obstruction of the opposition half-back. The wing-forward continued as a vital component of New Zealand rugby until long-standing complaints from the unions of the Home Nations resulted in the position being outlawed by the International Rugby Football Board in 1932.

                                                            There you have it. Flankers, cheating since 1905.

                                                            God bless us. ๐Ÿ•ถ

                                                            Took an Irishman to show you the way though.... ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

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