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@taniwharugby yep such is our society where, seemingly, we're all lemmings to this rancid media business model.
But do we have to be....?
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@Siam how do you get everyone to make a stand?
I never knowingly click on 2 idiots that call themselves sports journos, but they are still employed oblvious to the ramblings of people such as me.
So little actual journalism these days, usually just opinion or puff peices with an agenda.
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@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@taniwharugby I know it's not easy, neither is an effective strategy
Perhaps a mental stop and think. Then ignore. I mean there is no info about him that we need to know so fuck it, let nothing in.
Tell people it's not a subject worth conversing on.
Certainly no sharing. But it's hard, though I do believe even individual efforts en Masse is at least better than a resounding" that's just the way life is" . Some say all the stupid noise emanates from 8% of the popn. They don't represent my views and I refuse to bow down to them, whatever the names I'm called.
I'm sick of being led by the nose about what is acceptable in a continual dysfunctional narrative.
But mostly bro, I don't know anything except fuck these media and social media companies
MSM is as bad as outlets like the Woman's Day these days. The shit they spill is brain melting but people still lap it up. Since the days of the Christians and the Romans, people have lapped up drivel
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@canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed
Just recognising it is a start
Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.
There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.
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@Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan agree but not totally. Before about 5-10 years ago the public were way more discerning. We all grew up with truth ( not sensationalism) as a cornerstone to society. Fake news was given no oxygen to live. The Truth newspaper was a fun rag, and universally condemned as a creditable source. The distrust of previously strong institutions ( media, justice, politics) is a real thing that needs to be addressed
Just recognising it is a start
Time to push back and actually not encourage these messages which only serve to corrupt our mindsets.
There's a great Sam Harris podcast this week talking about it if interested.
We didn't have so many alternate information sources as we do now either. Some legitimate, others more marginal. Either way, MSM are under more pressure than ever to maintain their business and journalist standards seem to have slipped. But I think the news has always been delivered on an angle, it's just easier to see now
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I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .
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@jegga said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I feel the same way about shitlebrities and politicians using the massacre for their own publicity seeking or race baiting .
Seemingly completely different characters but yet those Elders are just as fucken annoying as eachother. I wonder how many thoughts and prayers Millie has sent ?
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Another thing I wish Adern would have done from the outset is to have referred to the victims as kiwis and completely left religious identity out of it. We all know the intersectionality. First and foremost these people we feel deep sympathy for are New Zealanders. All other sub group labels (religion, age, sex, left or right handed etc) are less relevant and are only convenient for identitarians to selfishly virtue signal.
She should have brushed away the obvious and united all of us under a kiwi backdrop. Fellow kiwis suffered on that day and that's what's most important.
But no, she goes all dress up and points to the elephant in the room by dividing us on the basis of religion, thereby opening the door to shit pieces like the one jegga posted.
Keep the narrative that kiwis were killed and it's kiwis that need our help in terrible times, (which ordinary kiwis did magnificently). You don't deny the religion, but it plays a backseat role when addressing the nation and the world.
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Oh good then...is it just be or this this verging on a puff piece for NZ gangs.
There was an article a few days back showing a 'emotional haka' by one of these groups at a mosque. One person put a pretty damning heartfelt comment stating that a couple of the men being praised were up on rape and home invasion charges. Kinda infuriating but I guess thats the point for clicks
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@dogmeat no mate, simply because everyone with a functioning brain has noticed the religious hatred and bigotry motivated murders that have permeated life since 2001.
At the outset the focus should have been the care and support for victims and families and those immediately affected. The narrative could have been focussed on kiwis rather than a sub group when we were trying to digest what happened.
Time to address the other issues later, for now (then) it was rallying around new zealanders.
That would have been a unifying and more mature message in my opinion
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@MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) ...
I’ve been wondering the past two weeks whether this is by design. I suspect it is, mostly because of the idea that we don’t want to give the sickfuck psychopath “infamy and notoriety” or something. Maybe there are other explanations.
But burying his name seems to me irresponsible and inadequate. It’s a way of absolving him of some of the blame and spreading it far-and-wide onto “toxic white masculinity and privilege,” especially, which let’s face it means a lot of us here. Like, we did it. That’s why we keep seeing fingers pointed at ourselves with far too many confessional white-guilt op-eds telling us “we’re to blame,” etc. Am I being defensive? Maybe I am. But that’s what happens when people start fingerpointing and throwing around blame. And I suspect this is exactly the sort of highly emotional and divisive effect that the dickwad terrorist was banking on.
No, we and society are not to blame. Sure, there are a lot of factors you can pull outta your bunghole if you want to absolve the sicko. But he’s the shitforbrains who planned and executed this appalling crime. His name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant, and he ALONE is responsible for it. Certainly we can all do better as a culture and society making sure everybody feels included. But we are ALL individuals responsible for our own actions, and fingers don’t need to be pointed anywhere other than the sickfuck who planned the assault and pulled the triggers.
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@dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Siam so you wouldn't mention the racial and religious bigotry / hatred that led to the mass murders?
Well apparently according to the censor.. we arent allowed to know what led to this mass murder.. our fragile brains cannot be allowed to see it. We must just be told by the govt why he did it...
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@MN5 said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
The gunman ( and I still don't know his name without googling ) ...
I’ve been wondering the past two weeks whether this is by design. I suspect it is, mostly because of the idea that we don’t want to give the sickfuck psychopath “infamy and notoriety” or something. Maybe there are other explanations.
But burying his name seems to me irresponsible and inadequate. It’s a way of absolving him of some of the blame and spreading it far-and-wide onto “toxic white masculinity and privilege,” especially, which let’s face it means a lot of us here. Like, we did it. That’s why we keep seeing fingers pointed at ourselves with far too many confessional white-guilt op-eds telling us “we’re to blame,” etc. Am I being defensive? Maybe I am. But that’s what happens when people start fingerpointing and throwing around blame. And I suspect this is exactly the sort of highly emotional and divisive effect that the dickwad terrorist was banking on.
No, we and society are not to blame. Sure, there are a lot of factors you can pull outta your bunghole if you want to absolve the sicko of his crime. But he’s the shitforbrains who planned and executed this appalling crime. His name is Brenton Harrison Tarrant, and he ALONE is responsible for the crime. Certainly we can all do better as a culture and society making sure everybody feels included. But we are ALL individuals responsible for our own actions, and fingers don’t need to be pointed anywhere other than the sickfuck who planned the assault and pulled the triggers.
Outstanding post !
To put it more simply for any feminists who might be reading. I didn't kill Grace Millane and I didn't kill all those people in the mosque either.
Can't say for sure but I have a feeling none of my fellow ferners did either.
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Media finally covering this. Good to see.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218679
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218989
Things are getting more ridiculous by the day
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Oh it is only the beginning.. it was only a few weeks ago.. you were saying that NZ women wearing Hijabs was a sign of respect...
And I stand by that. Heather Du Plessis Allen wrote an article I felt was in line with my position. Wearing the hijab immediately after the massacre was a sign of respect for the dead and I think was reasonable. Prolonged wear I'm not okay with, but getting into a discussion about the hijab as a sign of women's oppression within days of the event was IMHO not the right time. Of course we are bound to disagree on that one, but if you view the garment as a symbol of the muslim faith oppressing women then I'm in agreement with that
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Agree .....It was basically a sign of unity and respect to those executed in cold blood.....Everyone was talking compassion and empathy and that was a way to show it.
I agree with baron too, but think that’s a separate issue and doesn’t form part of the mosque shooting narrative.
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