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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
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@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Yep. Like you said, if this crime doesn't meet the threshold you'd have to wonder what would. Might as well strike it from the books if you can't use it here.
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@Kirwan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Yep. Like you said, if this crime doesn't meet the threshold you'd have to wonder what would. Might as well strike it from the books if you can't use it here.
The only shadow of doubt is if he's finally listening to his lawyers and the guilty plea is aimed at avoiding life without parole and solitary confinement which is what he was staring down the barrel of.
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@taniwharugby Safety yes, but also that he might infect the other inmates with his beliefs, so if he has renounced his beliefs, then that will stop being an issue (eventually).
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@taniwharugby I doubt anyone will actually believe it for years, but maybe in 20 years or something.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Deportation isn't the best answer anyway.
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@Smudge said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Deportation isn't the best answer anyway.
Even better! Dump him at Darling Harbour with no conviction and let them see what cleaning up garbage you had no part in looks like.
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@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Hooroo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Godder said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
He might the first to get life without parole.
We really need to question the system if he doesn't.
If he doesn't get it, nobody will. The main question for the court is whether he could ever be released on parole safely.
Some things we do in life don't deserve that question to be asked.
The rule of law requires it, but the ideology and actions suggest someone who can't safely be released ever, so the judge can justify it easily enough.
That also means he can't be deported, but that's worth it IMO.
Good.
After the debacle with releasing the Rainbow Warrior bombers, I don't want anyone being let loose from NZ until they've served their time.
And this clown will find life harder on New Zealand soil.
Should just be cemented into his cell for life.
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@Godder said in The Politics Quiz!:
@rotated said in The Politics Quiz!:
@canefan said in The Politics Quiz!:
@dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!:
@nzzp said in The Politics Quiz!:
Puts us into perspective though, right wingers in NZ are centrist or left wing overseas
In the early 80's Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Reagan's UN Ambassador and an ardent neocon, said that both Labour and National (Muldoon's National) were far to the left of the Democrats.
Right now ACT would still be to the left of the Dems
On what issues though? There is no way all the major parties in NZ are to the left of the Dems on cultural issues. The most progressive states in the US beat NZ handily on gay marriage reform, weed legalization and generally have laxer abortion laws (24 weeks+)
Death penalty would be a big one - I don't think any major NZ parties have seriously suggested its reintroduction since Bolger mused on the idea of a referendum in 1992, but there are still plenty of Democrats (particularly in Southern states) who think it should remain legal for treason and the worst murders. That said, we beat most states in that race, but not all.
Legality of prostitution is another - only Nevada has legalised it in the USA.
It's also hard to compare easily as at least some of those examples were legalised in the USA by the courts (for some things at a state level by the state supreme court, for other issues nationwide by SCOTUS), not the legislatures as happened here e.g. abortion and same sex marriage. Also, we legalised civil unions in the same year as the first state legalised same sex marriage, which was Massachusetts by order of the Massachusetts Supreme Court in 2004 (according to the unimpeachable oracle of all things internet, Wikipedia).
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Moved this from Politics Quiz to Mosque Shooting..
Doing this in multiple posts due to weird posting issue meaning I can't see past 9 lines to edit ...
But interesting point above re death penalty and Tarrant.
Can anyone seriously see him get anything other than life without parole?
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