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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by

      Crusaders v Chiefs: Sunday 28 June, 3:35pm, Orangetheory Stadium Christchurch

      Referee: James Doleman
      Assistant Referee 1: Ben O’Keeffe
      Assistant Referee 2: Mike Fraser
      TMO: Brendon Pickerill

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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer last edited by

        As Braydon Ennor didn't play the second half against the Canes because of a hamstring injury, I guess that will probably mean he won't be available against the Chiefs.

        So I assume they'll start Havili at 12, Goodhue at 13 and keep Jordan at fullback. Unless they want to give Dallas McLeod a start, in which case Havili may start at fullback at Jordan moves to the bench. It will also depend on how well Havili got through that 2nd half against the Canes. He was excellent for the full 40 minutes, but is he - health and fitness wise - ready for a start?

        I wonder how far Quinten Strange is from playing. He didn't play in the Crusaders v Crusaders preseason game, so maybe still not 100% healthy? Same with Makalio.

        For the Chiefs, I wonder whether Sam Cane will be ready to make his return? I also think Alaimalo should start, but at which spot? I doubt they'll move Dmac to the bench, despite his total lack of form.

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        • Hooroo
          Hooroo @Stargazer last edited by

          @Stargazer said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

          As Braydon Ennor didn't play the second half against the Canes because of a hamstring injury, I guess that will probably mean he won't be available against the Chiefs.

          So I assume they'll start Havili at 12, Goodhue at 13 and keep Jordan at fullback. Unless they want to give Dallas McLeod a start, in which case Havili may start at fullback at Jordan moves to the bench. It will also depend on how well Havili got through that 2nd half against the Canes. He was excellent for the full 40 minutes, but is he - health and fitness wise - ready for a start?

          I wonder how far Quinten Strange is from playing. He didn't play in the Crusaders v Crusaders preseason game, so maybe still not 100% healthy? Same with Makalio.

          For the Chiefs, I wonder whether Sam Cane will be ready to make his return? I also think Alaimalo should start, but at which spot? I doubt they'll move Dmac to the bench, despite his total lack of form.

          It would be nice if we could call on Retallick too if Cane was to start.

          If Cane does start that will put some much needed steel into our forwards. Which may prevent a hiding but I still can't see anything but a 13+ win to the Crusaders

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          • gt12
            gt12 @Hooroo last edited by gt12

            @Hooroo

            Without at least one bigger lock, we are really going to struggle.

            Given that Retallick is taking the year off, and the other injuries, we are therefore a bit fucked.

            Having Cane back should help though.

            Right now I think we’d be better served with some changes in the way we are using the back line too. I’d like to see Alaimalo there being used off his wing and Dmac not at second receiver (which they did a bit last week). If they can get Dmac as the third receiver with some better help out there (Stevenson, Alaimalo) there might be some opportunities to cause some trouble for the Saders.

            However, really, if we are looking to 11,14, and 15 to get us there - all up against All Blacks and future ABs - then it seems clear that we are going to get a beating.

            Given ALB’s form, I think the only place I would select a Chief ahead of a Sader would be at 7.

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            • Tim
              Tim last edited by

              @gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

              Given that Retallick is taking the year off

              He’s also taking next year off, and so is your coach.

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              • gt12
                gt12 @Tim last edited by

                @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                @gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                Given that Retallick is taking the year off

                He’s also taking next year off, and so is your coach.

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                Cold, man. Cold.

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                • Nepia
                  Nepia @Tim last edited by

                  @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                  @gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                  Given that Retallick is taking the year off

                  He’s also taking next year off, and so is your coach.

                  The evidence suggests the coach has already started taking next year off.

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                  • antipodean
                    antipodean last edited by

                    As superhuman as Cane is, this is the foregone conclusion of the round.

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                    • Yeetyaah
                      Yeetyaah @gt12 last edited by

                      @gt12 Ah Kuoi is listed at 1.96 and Vaa'i at 1.98. does the 4 and 2 cm really make a huge difference? Most people on here count anything under 2 metres as small. Genuinely curious what the few cm of difference makes.

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                      • Crazy Horse
                        Crazy Horse last edited by

                        Not sure this is as forgone as some would like to think.Chiefs have been the Crusader's bogey team for a while now. If the Chiefs can get their smothering rush defence going again they will be right in it.

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                        • Tim
                          Tim last edited by

                          Crusaders $1.28
                          Chiefs $3.40

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                          • Hooroo
                            Hooroo @Tim last edited by

                            @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                            Crusaders $1.28
                            Chiefs $3.40

                            Wow that is good coin for Crusaders. What is 13+ paying? Anything around the $1:80 mark is worth a remortgage of the house

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                            • Tim
                              Tim @Hooroo last edited by Tim

                              @Hooroo @$2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

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                              • Hooroo
                                Hooroo @Tim last edited by

                                @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

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                                • ACT Crusader
                                  ACT Crusader @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                  @Yeetyaah said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                  @gt12 Ah Kuoi is listed at 1.96 and Vaa'i at 1.98. does the 4 and 2 cm really make a huge difference? Most people on here count anything under 2 metres as small. Genuinely curious what the few cm of difference makes.

                                  Height plus wingspan does make a difference for your locks/loosies when it comes lineout. Combine that with taller props as well.

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                                  • ACT Crusader
                                    ACT Crusader @Hooroo last edited by

                                    @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                    @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                    @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                    No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                    Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                    Hooroo tipping Saders, mmm....Chiefs odds just shortened dramatically.

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                                    • Hooroo
                                      Hooroo @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                      @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                      @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                      @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                      No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                      Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                      Hooroo tipping Saders, mmm....Chiefs odds just shortened dramatically.

                                      Tipped the Blues last week too and got a decent collect. Bet with head (well I try to) and heart for tipping comps.

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                                      • Donsteppa
                                        Donsteppa @Nepia last edited by

                                        @Nepia said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                        @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                        @gt12 said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                        Given that Retallick is taking the year off

                                        He’s also taking next year off, and so is your coach.

                                        The evidence suggests the coach has already started taking next year off.

                                        Hamilton wouldn't be my usual pick for a 12 month holiday, but it clearly suits Gats.

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                                        • Kirwan
                                          Kirwan @Hooroo last edited by

                                          @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                          @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                          @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                          @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                          No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                          Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                          Hooroo tipping Saders, mmm....Chiefs odds just shortened dramatically.

                                          Tipped the Blues last week too and got a decent collect. Bet with head (well I try to) and heart for tipping comps.

                                          I can get you a Blues jersey if you like? Plenty of room on the bandwagon.

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                                          • Hooroo
                                            Hooroo @Kirwan last edited by

                                            @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                            @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                            @ACT-Crusader said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                            @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                            @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                            @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                            No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                            Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                            Hooroo tipping Saders, mmm....Chiefs odds just shortened dramatically.

                                            Tipped the Blues last week too and got a decent collect. Bet with head (well I try to) and heart for tipping comps.

                                            I can get you a Blues jersey if you like? Plenty of room on the bandwagon.

                                            My COVID-19 toilet paper stash is still well supplied, thanks

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                                            • Dice
                                              Dice last edited by

                                              Will the media start turning on Gatland if the Chiefs lose this one?

                                              If the Chiefs lose this week, it'll be their 5th loss in the last 6 games.

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                                              • Y
                                                Yeahtheboys @Stargazer last edited by

                                                @Stargazer total lack of form? Are you guys just always out to attack Dmac no matter what happens? Wtf did he do wrong for u to pick him out

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                                                • nzzp
                                                  nzzp @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                  @Yeahtheboys DMac coughed a few up for the ABs a few years ago. That's enough for some folk, they just can't see any upside to him.

                                                  Kind of like Foster; a few dodgy years in charge and people assume that ?8? years with the ABs hasn't improved him as a coach.

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                                                  • Donsteppa
                                                    Donsteppa last edited by

                                                    The great thing about DMac in 2020 is that he's back to his best position and doesn't need to cover/be first five. I like him at full back, but at first five not so much...

                                                    For current form, in some ways he's had the best part of 15 months out of rugby (barring some of the February games that he was fit for), and that must take a while to build up the magic from again.

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                                                    • Donsteppa
                                                      Donsteppa @nzzp last edited by

                                                      @nzzp said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                      Kind of like Foster; a few dodgy years in charge and people assume that ?8? years with the ABs hasn't improved him as a coach.

                                                      The flip side is that the inconsistencies of the All Blacks during the last RWC cycle bore some broad parallels to Foster's tenure at the Chiefs. Albiet with a much better win/loss ratio, set alongside the Lions series, losses to Ireland, tactics/selections at times, and the team going AWOL in Chicago, Perth, and in the semi final.

                                                      It's tempered significantly by Hansen being the head coach, but I think it's not unreasonable for the jury to be slightly cynical about Foster at the very top level of the game.

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                                                      • nzzp
                                                        nzzp @Donsteppa last edited by

                                                        @Donsteppa said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                        It's tempered significantly by Hansen being the head coach, but I think it's not unreasonable for the jury to be slightly cynical about Foster at the very top level of the game.

                                                        Oh I don't disagree totally! But the counterpoint is Wayne Smith rates him, and I have a deep and abiding trust in Smith. Hansen also clearly rated him, and those boys didn't suffer yes men or sycophants.

                                                        If he's grown and improved, well done NZR, but if he hasn't then I'll be out there with the burning torches, pitchforks (or cowbells?) with the next rugby fan 🙂

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                                                        • Crucial
                                                          Crucial @Hooroo last edited by

                                                          @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                          @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                          @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                                          No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                                          Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                                          Ha, gone from 'mortgage the house' to 'half our TAB balance'.

                                                          All talk, no trousers.

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                                                          • Crucial
                                                            Crucial last edited by

                                                            As I said in a previous thread, I am really surprised that Gatland has not brought in an element of ruthlessness to the team. They have talent to get into good situations but keep squandering things when they do.
                                                            Surely getting them to go into 'clinical mode' once opportunities are gained would be a good thing for the scoreboard?

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                                                            • Hooroo
                                                              Hooroo @Crucial last edited by

                                                              @Crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                              @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                              @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                              @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                                              No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                                              Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                                              Ha, gone from 'mortgage the house' to 'half our TAB balance'.

                                                              All talk, no trousers.

                                                              Half the TAB balance is Trousers!

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                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                mariner4life @Hooroo last edited by

                                                                @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @Kirwan said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @ACT-Crusader said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @Hooroo said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @Tim said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                @Hooroo @2.10. You going to ask the wife before hand?

                                                                No, probably best surprise her with the good news after the match....

                                                                Me and a mate have quite a decent TAB ticket that has been accumulating since the beginning of this year. I have just suggest we put half the ticket on 13+

                                                                Hooroo tipping Saders, mmm....Chiefs odds just shortened dramatically.

                                                                Tipped the Blues last week too and got a decent collect. Bet with head (well I try to) and heart for tipping comps.

                                                                I can get you a Blues jersey if you like? Plenty of room on the bandwagon.

                                                                My COVID-19 toilet paper stash is still well supplied, thanks

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                                                                • Stargazer
                                                                  Stargazer last edited by

                                                                  Tickets for this game went on sale, yesterday. I understand that 10,000 have been sold.

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                                                                  • Stargazer
                                                                    Stargazer last edited by

                                                                    At least assistant coach Neil Barnes offered some bright news. Captain and openside flanker Sam Cane, who has yet to play in the domestic tournament because of a lower back problem, could return if not feeling any discomfort after training on Wednesday.

                                                                    Lock Mitchell Brown could also be back to replace Tupou Vaa’i, who has been unwell and will be given a spell. The team is named Friday.

                                                                    .
                                                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300041384/no-hatred-from-damian-mckenzie-but-chiefs-desperate-for-win-over-crusaders

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                                                                    • Stargazer
                                                                      Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

                                                                      .
                                                                      The forecast for Christchurch isn't terrible, by the way:

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                                                                      • Machpants
                                                                        Machpants last edited by

                                                                        I dunno those so called temperature highs, look like lows to me

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                                                                        • Bovidae
                                                                          Bovidae last edited by

                                                                          I did read that Ardron has been nursing a hamstring injury, but has never been listed on the ever-growing injury list.

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                                                                          • Hooroo
                                                                            Hooroo last edited by

                                                                            Shouldn't the teams been named by now?

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                                                                            • Bovidae
                                                                              Bovidae last edited by Bovidae

                                                                              Gallagher Chiefs:

                                                                              1. Aidan Ross (33)
                                                                              2. Bradley Slater (9)
                                                                              3. Nepo Laulala (35)
                                                                              4. Mitchell Brown (39)
                                                                              5. Naitoa Ah Kuoi (8)
                                                                              6. Lachlan Boshier (51)
                                                                              7. Sam Cane (116) ©
                                                                              8. Pita Gus Sowakula (22)
                                                                              9. Brad Weber (79)
                                                                              10. Aaron Cruden (96)
                                                                              11. Sean Wainui (32)
                                                                              12. Anton Lienert-Brown (76)
                                                                              13. Quinn Tupaea (6)
                                                                              14. Solomon Alaimalo (44)
                                                                              15. Damian McKenzie (78)

                                                                              Reserves:
                                                                              16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (30)
                                                                              17. Reuben O’Neill (5)
                                                                              18. Ross Geldenhuys (7)
                                                                              19. Adam Thomson (2)
                                                                              20. Mitchell Karpik (25)
                                                                              21. Lisati Milo-Harris (3)
                                                                              22. Kaleb Trask (5)
                                                                              23. Tumua Manu (18)

                                                                              Unavailable for selection:
                                                                              Angus Ta’avao (quad), Tyler Ardron (hamstring)
                                                                              Season ending: Atu Moli (hips), Laghlan McWhannell (knee), Luke Jacobson (hand), Michael Allardice (shoulder), Nathan Harris (shoulder), Sam McNicol (ankle).
                                                                              
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                                                                              • Yeetyaah
                                                                                Yeetyaah @Bovidae last edited by

                                                                                @Bovidae skip is back and Brown is back. Manu on the bench. Hopefully Cane's return can help the team out. Will be a tough game in Christchurch.

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                                                                                • Hooroo
                                                                                  Hooroo @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                                                  @Yeetyaah said in Crusaders v Chiefs:

                                                                                  @Bovidae skip is back and Brown is back. Manu on the bench. Hopefully Cane's return can help the team out. Will be a tough game in Christchurch.

                                                                                  It will be a hiding in ChCh in a real bog given the forecast.

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                                                                                  • Stargazer
                                                                                    Stargazer last edited by

                                                                                    Crusaders:

                                                                                    1 Joe Moody
                                                                                    2 Codie Taylor (C)
                                                                                    3 Michael Alaalatoa
                                                                                    4 Samuel Whitelock
                                                                                    5 Mitchell Dunshea
                                                                                    6 Cullen Grace
                                                                                    7 Billy Harmon
                                                                                    8 Whetukamokamo Douglas (VC)
                                                                                    9 Bryn Hall
                                                                                    10 Richie Mo'unga
                                                                                    11 George Bridge
                                                                                    12 Jack Goodhue
                                                                                    13 Braydon Ennor
                                                                                    14 Sevu Reece
                                                                                    15 Will Jordan

                                                                                    RESERVES:
                                                                                    16 Brodie McAlister
                                                                                    17 George Bower
                                                                                    18 Oliver Jager
                                                                                    19 Luke Romano
                                                                                    20 Ethan Blackadder
                                                                                    21 Mitchell Drummond
                                                                                    22 David Havili (VC)
                                                                                    23 Leicester Faingaanuku

                                                                                    https://crusaders.co.nz/news/1439-crusaders-team-named-for-first-home-game-against-the-chiefs

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