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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Virgil said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial last time around the polls were wrong. It will be interesting to see if history repeats
Can’t find the link but some guy in the states who predicted Trumps win in 2016 has come out and said his data points to another win this time as well.
Made the good point you can’t always trust polls, people don’t always give the true answer.
Where as he goes off social media etc, comments and posts where people tend to be more upfront and speak their minds ( only have to see the replies in a Trump tweet to see that)im sure i read somewhere about a study that showed there are LOADS of people that are just embarressed to admit they'll vote for trump....so i wont be overly surprised
Embarassed and worried about being targetted/attacked/losing their jobs.
....and polling companies are releasing personal details of those that indicate a Rep vote? Don't think so. Lots of the polls are impersonal now as well.
I get that face to face some people could be shy, but in a poll?What we saw last election was everything bar one State running close to the polls (within margin of error). The margin accounts for these people.
A late switch in one state based on stupidity by Clinton being taken advantage of by Trump.The general media narrative was that Clinton had it in the bag but the polls didn't really paint that picture at all when you look back at them.
i think i must have fallen for that, my relocation was Clinton was comfortably out in front
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Virgil said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial last time around the polls were wrong. It will be interesting to see if history repeats
Can’t find the link but some guy in the states who predicted Trumps win in 2016 has come out and said his data points to another win this time as well.
Made the good point you can’t always trust polls, people don’t always give the true answer.
Where as he goes off social media etc, comments and posts where people tend to be more upfront and speak their minds ( only have to see the replies in a Trump tweet to see that)im sure i read somewhere about a study that showed there are LOADS of people that are just embarressed to admit they'll vote for trump....so i wont be overly surprised
Embarassed and worried about being targetted/attacked/losing their jobs.
....and polling companies are releasing personal details of those that indicate a Rep vote? Don't think so. Lots of the polls are impersonal now as well.
I get that face to face some people could be shy, but in a poll?What we saw last election was everything bar one State running close to the polls (within margin of error). The margin accounts for these people.
A late switch in one state based on stupidity by Clinton being taken advantage of by Trump.The general media narrative was that Clinton had it in the bag but the polls didn't really paint that picture at all when you look back at them.
i think i must have fallen for that, my relocation was Clinton was comfortably out in front
I think that was based on Trump being thought of as a bit of a joke and Hillary being in front in the head to head in the margins that Dem v Rep usually show. Easy conclusion was that the 'politician' would beat the reality TV guy. And that was the message put out.
As I said, if you look back the polls weren't far off. They just missed the big late swing in one state. The other toss ups swung toward Trump as well, just not by as much and within the polling margins of error. -
@Frank said in US Politics:
Rudy Giuliani has just done an interview.
Underage girls.
Multiple photos corroborating it.The text being read was sent to Joe.
Laptop from hell.And? Embarrassing for Hunter, and if there is illegality then he deserves to cop it.
As the journo says, 'family trouble'. Still no evidence of wrongdoing by Jo.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Crucial
I am just glad a guy like this wasn't travelling the globe soliciting money from various corporations in Ukraine and China for the "Big Guy".That's Rudi's interpretation and you are lapping it up.
Do you not even apply a filter or question his motives? Have doubts about the veracity of the 'evidence'?
'Soliciting money'? It's called getting paid.
Owes money to dad for bailing him out (probably in more ways than one)I'm actually finding this a little funny in that Rudi is spruiking his 'evidence' around tabloid papers and the little media guys and comes across like a silly old man shouting 'Look!, Look!' with no one taking much notice.
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@Crucial
Oh I know Rudy is partisan as hell.
And the whole thing is so hokey.
And of course they are juicing it for max damage to Biden.Just think this info' should be out.
It is real.
It is not Russian disinfo' as claimed.
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A lot of edits - ha ha
No, it is not proven.Bit of a tell that the Biden campaign aren't denying it though.
Don't you think?Conflicting accounts.
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@Frank not if they see it as a side issue or something (if real) better ignored till post-election. If it's true it is all sorts of grubby for sure. But so far the accusers have not hammered that final nail, and I think that is telling. Surely they don't have time to waste building this up with the election so close? but I would concede they'd be a far better judge on timing and impact ... if it's actually real
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@Frank That tweet proves that nobody actually knows the real story here.
Not sure how you can categorically state that there is no foreign disinformation going on here.
The Biden camp not making denials could mean that they aren't lowering themselves. Could also mean that some of the topics are 'true' and don't want to get embroiled in explaining them away even the ones which have explanations.
The pressure here is not enough to force their hand. No one trusts a word Rudy says and this is being seen as a desperate throw of the dice.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
No one trusts a word Rudy says
Even you must wonder if Rudy does in fact speak the truth. Esp as he has
evidencehearsay backing his words upFIFY
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank That tweet proves that nobody actually knows the real story here.
Not sure how you can categorically state that there is no foreign disinformation going on here.
The Biden camp not making denials could mean that they aren't lowering themselves. Could also mean that some of the topics are 'true' and don't want to get embroiled in explaining them away even the ones which have explanations.
The pressure here is not enough to force their hand. No one trusts a word Rudy says and this is being seen as a desperate throw of the dice.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the Russians and probably the Chinese have tried to create disinformation campaigns on social media in other elections including the 2016 US one. It is hardly a leap to think they are still at it. Probably isn't even that difficult to pull the wool over the eyes of people in the twitterverse. Everytime I see tweets they are filled with CAPITAL LETTERS and !!!! for emphasis. Real kids level stuff
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Kirwan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Virgil said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial last time around the polls were wrong. It will be interesting to see if history repeats
Can’t find the link but some guy in the states who predicted Trumps win in 2016 has come out and said his data points to another win this time as well.
Made the good point you can’t always trust polls, people don’t always give the true answer.
Where as he goes off social media etc, comments and posts where people tend to be more upfront and speak their minds ( only have to see the replies in a Trump tweet to see that)im sure i read somewhere about a study that showed there are LOADS of people that are just embarressed to admit they'll vote for trump....so i wont be overly surprised
Embarassed and worried about being targetted/attacked/losing their jobs.
....and polling companies are releasing personal details of those that indicate a Rep vote? Don't think so. Lots of the polls are impersonal now as well.
I get that face to face some people could be shy, but in a poll?What we saw last election was everything bar one State running close to the polls (within margin of error). The margin accounts for these people.
A late switch in one state based on stupidity by Clinton being taken advantage of by Trump.The general media narrative was that Clinton had it in the bag but the polls didn't really paint that picture at all when you look back at them.
A friend of a friend from Phoenix, Arizona posted this on Facebook. Mad if true.
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