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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
for a leader of a country to so unashamedly throw out claims of corruption so widespread as to effect a national election without providing any evidence other than anecdotal is so tasteless, to indiscriminately call out his own citizens
He could so mush more easily just lodge his legal challenges and when ask simply say there had been too many rumours to ignore and wanted to make sure things had been undertaken correctly
the needless public accusations just stink of getting in some shots before loosing the spotlight
Biden on the other hand imploring people to keep calm and that the count and legal processes will work
It’s hard to reconcile his approach, especially for a Kiwi or Aussie that have lived largely with very conservative and non-controversial approaches to politicking.
I don’t pretend to know what’s in Trump’s mind and nothing really shocks me when it comes to politics, but I can understand his approach if you were to put yourself in the shoes of the millions of republican voters that are being bombarded with polling and reporting of polling by media outlets that don’t question or critique and say that things are a foregone conclusion. This is the sort of thing that fires up voters and there would be a strong sentiment for ‘their leader’ to come out fighting and swing a few punches.
This isn’t about the rights or wrongs of the approach, but it a strategy that would resonate.
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I'm not sure if Betoota is satire or reality these days...
"The US President has today vowed legal action against the system that elected him, and demanded that officials keep recounting the votes until he wins."
President Who Was Initially Elected With Less Votes Than Opponent Claims The System Is Rigged
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The current President of the United States has today called the system that elected him rigged.
Speaking earlier, the former host of Celebrity Apprentice has accused electoral officials of blatant fraud and trying to ‘steal’ the election off him.
Donald Trump’s team say they have filed lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Michigan, laying the groundwork for contesting the outcome in undecided battleground states.
Despite the fact he was elected with 46.1% of the popular vote (which was less than his opponent’s popular vote share) and handed the keys to the white house because of the Electoral College system, the President is now adamant that the system is rigged.
With the key battleground states looking tight, and Biden tipped as the favourite to now win the race, Trump has amped up the rhetoric around the election somehow being rigged against him.
While his claims weren’t being trotted out for a couple of hour window mid-afternoon our time when it looked like he was going to get another four years, Trump has since demanded that the votes be recounted until they go in his favour.
It’s not known how many states he wants re-counted and whether he wants the states where he narrowly won recounted.
More to come.
For a man whose supporters like to think is outside 'the swamp', Trump is just like any other politician at picking and choosing when he thinks the system suits him.
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Maybe Trump should ask North Korea and Russia to provide peacekeeping troops to the US to ensure free and fair elections and the democracy to flourish
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@NTA said in US Politics:
@voodoo I think if I was any of the Trumps I'd be a little wary of using the words "fraud" or "cheating".
Why, so Twitter and Facebook can ‘censure’ them?
The legal test is a little different in the US than here in OZ. You wouldn’t throw an allegation like that as a politician unless you had the protection of parliamentary privilege.
Bear in mind the allegations were thrown out in a very general sense rather than a specific individual so defaming or libel is a little challenging there.
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Somehow I'm supposed to believe that the Democrats have possibly managed to pull off the heist of the century in stealing the presidential election (maybe), while not doing the same thing in any of the state elections in a redistricting election or in the Senate?
Seems remarkably incompetent competence to me.
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
“The best thing for America’s future is for @realDonaldTrump to go to total war over this election to expose all of the fraud, cheating, dead/no longer in state voters, that has been going on for far too long,” Trump Jr. wrote
So how long is far too long? the last election too, or before then? If so, why wasnt it addressed in the last 4 years?
Or is 'far too long' the last month or so?
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I was wondering if the Donald is voted out, whether Don Jr eventually winds up in prison, over the Russia thing. With new Attorney General etc.
But, thinking it is bad precedent, to chase those too hard after they leave office. In case it incentives someone one day to decide they wont leave office, if it is safer for them and family to stay in at all costs.
But, did Don Jr just tweet an incitement to a coup?
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I'd be really interested to hear @photo-fox views on the situation, and how it is playing in pro-Trump areas. So hard to get a clear read from our local media here.
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my understanding is a lot of these poll officials and counters do it every time, its their thing....and Trump may have just turned a lot of them democrat
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
my understanding is a lot of these poll officials and counters do it every time, its their thing....and Trump may have just turned a lot of them democrat
If they work for the relevant state department, there’s a strong possibility they are a union member and more likely to vote Democrat anyway.
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@NTA said in US Politics:
Holy fucking batshit-crazy-mango-man did he just actually accuse the Dems of suppression?
Trump? The guy who mailed in his vote but said mail in ballots are fraudulent? Who appointed a GOP Postmaster General and started stripping back resources in US Mail ?
Wow. Just fucking wow. He's got some big nads under that tiny little penis.
Claims nearly all mail in votes are for the dems so must be illegal... didn’t he go on for weeks and months to his supporters DONT mail in their votes?
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
I'd be really interested to hear @photo-fox views on the situation, and how it is playing in pro-Trump areas. So hard to get a clear read from our local media here.
Probably got better things to do on the farm than watch this circus 😉
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Just watched that press conference. If nothing else it shows why the man is not fit for office.
To stand there as the 'leader of the free world' and tell a pack of lies (not even couched in terms of possibility) that undermines the faith and standing the country as protectors of democracy is just mind boggling.
After 4 years I still can't make my mind up how much is deliberte and how much is because he is thick and fails to even try and understand basic information.The examples he used were extremes and most of his statements were clear lies that won't even pass the sniff test of going to court.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Just watched that press conference. If nothing else it shows why the man is not fit for office.
To stand there as the 'leader of the free world' and tell a pack of lies (not even couched in terms of possibility) that undermines the faith and standing the country as protectors of democracy is just mind boggling.
After 4 years I still can't make my mind up how much is deliberte and how much is because he is thick and fails to even try and understand basic information.The examples he used were extremes and most of his statements were clear lies that won't even pass the sniff test of going to court.
That’s what we get for having an “outsider” President. As crazy as his talk is, guaranteed large swathes of this country literally believe everything that comes out of his mouth. He has damaged the democratic process for decades to come.
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@ACT-Crusader said in US Politics:
Why, so Twitter and Facebook can ‘censure’ them?
More in terms of the conduct of the Trump family and cronies now versus litigation they may face once he's out of office.
Not that I think much will come of it, as the rich tend to get away with stuff, and he's banked a fair bit since Trump Resorts became the venue-of-choice for government shindigs.
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@Rapido said in US Politics:
But, thinking it is bad precedent, to chase those too hard after they leave office. In case it incentives someone one day to decide they wont leave office, if it is safer for them and family to stay in at all costs.
I don't think anyone can overturn the 2-term maximum but who knows?
Your point is valid tho, in terms of prosecution post-office. That seems unlikely as the GOP will still hold a fair bit of power and might make that a negotiating point with the Dems.
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