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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
It's hardly Boris's fault the EU turned out to be as duplicitous and/or incompetent as they have been. At least he's showing some consistency in approach unlike May, Cameron etc.
That is the tricky part - it's very hard to control the narrative around negotiations and continue them in good faith when one party clearly has punitive motives (and until the last election probably harbored hope they could stall/obstruct this thing into reversal).
Not to blame May... the "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal" was a good angle, but a lot more should have been done clearly saying what a bad deal was. The public framework for negotiation should have been that the absolute baseline is Canada and given the rhetoric from the EU and coming from a position of total alignment they should be able to build significantly from there. It would have put the burden of proof back onto the EU. You know... learn from the Cameron negotiations before the vote.
By the time Boris came in and the clock was running down the horse had bolted.
Tricky thing for EU27 is that they pushed the line that UK would have to follow EU regulations to access their market, with draconian sanctions if they reneged. Not the way FTAs work, so EU has work to do to reposition the narrative on the deal which they will do.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
It's hardly Boris's fault the EU turned out to be as duplicitous and/or incompetent as they have been. At least he's showing some consistency in approach unlike May, Cameron etc.
That is the tricky part - it's very hard to control the narrative around negotiations and continue them in good faith when one party clearly has punitive motives (and until the last election probably harbored hope they could stall/obstruct this thing into reversal).
Not to blame May... the "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal" was a good angle, but a lot more should have been done clearly saying what a bad deal was. The public framework for negotiation should have been that the absolute baseline is Canada and given the rhetoric from the EU and coming from a position of total alignment they should be able to build significantly from there. It would have put the burden of proof back onto the EU. You know... learn from the Cameron negotiations before the vote.
By the time Boris came in and the clock was running down the horse had bolted.
Tricky thing for EU27 is that they pushed the line that UK would have to follow EU regulations to access their market, with draconian sanctions if they reneged. Not the way FTAs work, so EU has work to do to reposition the narrative on the deal which they will do.
Slightly overstated. It’s pretty normal when doing a trade deal to try and ensure that your own people aren’t disadvantaged by having to compete with the others with an advantage.
It may not be “right” but it’s one of the reasons tariffs exist.
If you don’t want tariffs then you need to be on an even footing.
It’s kind of the core of why things like the EU exist. But setting a bunch of rules for everyone then they are even and can trade without adjustments -
The correct term is protectionism and fear of competition from smarter, more efficient producers as you try to hide an increasingly uncompetitive economy. You end up becoming a laughing stock as you ban Japanese ski equipment as "Japanese snow is different to EU snow"
It never works and just slows inevitable decline as your exports get shut out of growing markets like India or Indonesia in retaliation as the EU is finding out - it's share of world trade now 1/3 of what it was 25 years ago.
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Looking very likely to be no deal after no progress over the weekend.
The UK's Westminster system means they can ratify something faster than the slower EU, so makes sense they would want to use that advantage to run down the clock, but even so looking like the window for a deal has closed / is closing.
A ever, issues are: fishing (0.1% of UK GDP but hugely symbolic, like the Trump and the Virginian coal miners in the US really), governance and level playing field.
I've always though that the only deal the EU would agree to would be such a bad one for the Brexit faithful they would reject it, and that's proving to be the case over 4 years since the vote.
The EU really is Hotel California.
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Looking very likely to be no deal after no progress over the weekend.
The UK's Westminster system means they can ratify something faster than the slower EU, so makes sense they would want to use that advantage to run down the clock, but even so looking like the window for a deal has closed / is closing.
A ever, issues are: fishing (0.1% of UK GDP but hugely symbolic, like the Trump and the Virginian coal miners in the US really), governance and level playing field.
I've always though that the only deal the EU would agree to would be such a bad one for the Brexit faithful they would reject it, and that's proving to be the case over 4 years since the vote.
The EU really is Hotel California.
Pretty hard to know what to read into this to be honest.
On one hand you have the EU saying the fishing thing is close. On the other hand you have the UK saying it's not. Which I suspect is political posturing/negotation by the UK.
I think the other stuff will for itself our pretty easily. However, I see the GBP Down 1.5% vs the USD this morning so it seems quite clear which way the punters are going on this.
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Being reported by Guido. He's usually pretty much spot on.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Brexit Deal Done.
Coincidence the clueless Barnier was effectively sacked as negotiator by Ursula von der Leyen on Monday?
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That Brexit finish line must have a very wide tape..
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That was the Withdrawal Agreement which had been dragging on acrimoniously for years
There were a lot of people who thought it would take 5-10 years to get the Free Trade deal just agreed. Saner minds have prevailed.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
A big Fuck you to a lot of people if you ask me.
Well played Boris. Everything you wanted achieved. All goodwill lost in your complete muddle of COVID but that’s life.
Respect, Sir.
Classic BoJo ending his trade deal speech : "Have a great Christmas, that's the good news from Brussels and now for the sprouts, I mean the press. Laura Keunsberg from the BBC...""
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
A big Fuck you to a lot of people if you ask me.
Well played Boris. Everything you wanted achieved. All goodwill lost in your complete muddle of COVID but that’s life.
Respect, Sir.
Classic BoJo ending his trade deal speech : "Have a great Christmas, that's the good news from Brussels and now for the sprouts, I mean the press. Laura Keunsberg from the BBC...""
The best part ....
Saint “speaks for the working class” Owen, is now smashing the deal. Which he hasn’t read. Smashing Brexit. Which the working class effectively voted for and he’s the self proclaimed voice of. And smashing Labour. The only part which has more than zero members who have respect for him.
Totally exposed as a complete and utter fraud.
Such a great day.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Saint “speaks for the working class” Owen,
The bloke has delusions of intellectual adequacy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
@MajorRage said in Brexit:
Saint “speaks for the working class” Owen,
The bloke has delusions of intellectual adequacy.
No, you’ve got that wrong. He’s carved out great life as the victim / spokesperson for the have nots.
Not dumb at all. But exposed.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
That was the Withdrawal Agreement which had been dragging on acrimoniously for years
There were a lot of people who thought it would take 5-10 years to get the Free Trade deal just agreed. Saner minds have prevailed.
mea culpa - I was quickly looking for a link where he said the deal would be easy..
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I'm going to keep an eye on Scotland.
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