Quitting your job without giving notice
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<p>Don't get me wrong, I don't jump ship before projects end looking for something else, I come in to turn red projects/ programmes green.</p>
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<p>I've been working as a contractor for over a decade and while the concept of not burning bridges is important, I've always taken the approach of "may the bridges I burn light the way". If I'm completely honest I'm grossly overpaid for what I do, but I console myself with the fact I'm good at it in comparison to practically everyone else in the industry.</p>
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<p>My advice is to have the prospective employer explain why they can't wait a fortnight. If you're happy with their explanation and guarantees, give notice after signing the new contract and immediately take leave. In a year you won't give a shit about the missing week's wages. Become an indispensable and liked worker at your new place of work and make the most of the opportunity.</p>
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<p>[edit] If the large IT firm is HP, stay where you are.</p>
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<p>Ia m betting Datacom, they operate like this.</p>
<p>But that is just a guess.</p>
<p>I have done a lot of contracting, so much so that I even treat 'permanent' jobs as contracts.</p>
<p>There is really no such thing as loyalty in this area, they would no hesitate to chop you if iut suited them, they would not keep you around if it didnt suit. Businesses are heartless, they just pretend otherwise as it required to retain staff and morale up.</p>
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<p>Your issue should only be about future prospects, dont feel bad. Leave the business to look after the business and yourself to look after yourself.</p>
<p>If you think you are burning bridges in s mall town, that is a consideration. Not hurt feelings or leaving a company in the lurch.</p> -
There can be any number of reasons as to why a company needs to fill a position so quickly and Id be inclined to agree with MR. Where are the contingencies? Ok so its extraordinary circumstances. The whole division died in a unfortunate accident and they have a major client they can not afford to lose. They need someone to take over the account with the requisite skills or the company goes broke....etc, etc. Fair play, understandable.<br><br>
But if a company knows that the person they are hiring is leaving their former employer in the lurch to take up role within theirs, then Id have to think twice. <br><br>
I have have employed quite a few people over the years and i have on occasion had to employ a lesser candidate because the top choice needed to give more notice than we could accommodate. Too bad, so sad. <br><br>
I dont think i could hire someone who fucked over their last employer. <br><br>
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<p>BSG mentioned an company which is a good example of one needing to fill a position very quickly. If acting as a vendor they will often have a client demanding that work be fully resourced at quite short notice by the time needs and requirements are established.</p>
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<p>I agree with Razbra though. If you think there will be a grudge held by your employer if you jump ship then be very wary on how it may affect your reputation. It sometimes only takes one person that decides you pissed them off for some bad press to get around.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="572159" data-time="1460602354"><p>BSG mentioned an company which is a good example of one needing to fill a position very quickly. If acting as a vendor they will often have a client demanding that work be fully resourced at quite short notice by the time needs and requirements are established.<br><br>
I agree with Razbra though. If you think there will be a grudge held by your employer if you jump ship then be very wary on how it may affect your reputation. It sometimes only takes one person that decides you pissed them off for some bad press to get around.</p></blockquote>
There's the flip side of that coin too. A company that hires people with no integrity are more like to lack integrity themselves. Id imagine they mistreat their staff and have high employee turnover. <br><br>
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<p>There can be any number of reasons as to why a company needs to fill a position so quickly and Id be inclined to agree with MR. Where are the contingencies? Ok so its extraordinary circumstances. The whole division died in a unfortunate accident and they have a major client they can not afford to lose. They need someone to take over the account with the requisite skills or the company goes broke....etc, etc. Fair play, understandable.<br><br>
But if a company knows that the person they are hiring is leaving their former employer in the lurch to take up role within theirs, then Id have to think twice.<br><br>
I have have employed quite a few people over the years and i have on occasion had to employ a lesser candidate because the top choice needed to give more notice than we could accommodate. Too bad, so sad.<br><br><strong>I dont think i could hire someone who fucked over their last employer</strong>.<br><br>
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<p>That's all a matter of perspective though.</p>
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<p>I had the opportunity to join two former female work colleagues in filing PGs against a male boss ( who I came extremely close to punching ) cos he was an absolute cock of the highest order. A real "corporate bully"....he got given the boot soon afterwards but in terms of the whole PG thing I know that those things have a habit of following you around and even if you are in the right as some companies label you as a potential trouble maker.</p> -
<p>I reckon retiring is a good option!</p>
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<p>Good job Raz!</p>
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<p>I didn't have so much luck. They came back to me and said they were impressed at my enthusiasm to try and work out a solution for the notice period. I had the interview which went very well and it was decided that if I was the best candidate then we would sit down and work out the notice situation. The decision was due over the weekend unfortunately for me as apparently one of their existing contractors in Auckland has now decided that he is happy to relocate and take the role. Bugger. And to top it off word is going around of potential 4 day weeks coming up due to the dire financial situation here. </p>
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<p>On the plus side it has hardened my resolve to find something else and quick!</p> -
<p>Well, I think you made a <strong>good</strong> decision - there is no right or wrong with these things.</p>
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<p>Maintaining an open discourse with all parties puts you in a good place when it comes to closing it off in your own mind. If something like this happens again, you'll be able to approach it with a clear conscience and the knowledge that you can keep it all </p>
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<p>4 day week? Hmmm... might be good to use that time to find some work on the side, or dive into a particular tech stream if you're so inclined.</p>
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<p>You could even approach the decent large company you mentioned originally, and see if they even want a bit of intern work on the side. It might be "free" to them, but it is a chance for you to show your chops, learn a shitload, and perhaps build a bridge that way, pick up a mentor etc.</p> -
<p>If you have a clause in your employment agreement which allows the employer to make deductions from your wages for leaving without giving the appropriate notice, change it. Wage deductions are about the only place an employee can unilaterally change employment agreements.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://employment.govt.nz/er/pay/paymentanddeductions/deductions.asp'>http://employment.govt.nz/er/pay/paymentanddeductions/deductions.asp</a></p>
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<p>Employers can make a deduction from pay if:</p>
<ul><li><br></li><li>the deduction is specifically required by law eg PAYE tax, student loan repayment, child support</li>
<li><br></li><li>the deduction is for a lawful purpose, is reasonable and the employee has agreed or asked for the deduction in writing. ‘Agreed in writing’ includes a general deductions clause in the employment agreement, but an employer must consult with the employee before they make a specific deduction under a general deductions clause. <strong>The employee can vary or withdraw their written consent to a deduction by giving notice in writing at any time</strong>. The employer must then vary or stop the deductions within 2 weeks of receiving the notice or as soon as practicable.</li>
<li><br></li><li>the deduction is to recover an overpayment in limited circumstances</li>
<li><br></li><li>a court directs that a deduction be made.
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<br><br><p>Section 5(2) of the Wages Protection Act 1983 is the relevant legislation - pay a lawyer or get the Community Law Centre to draft you something, and email it to HR at work, and after 2 weeks, the employer no longer has the legal ability to make those deductions. Keep copies of the email(s), and if necessary, take legal action.</p> -
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<p>If you have a clause in your employment agreement which allows the employer to make deductions from your wages for leaving without giving the appropriate notice, change it. Wage deductions are about the only place an employee can unilaterally change employment agreements.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://employment.govt.nz/er/pay/paymentanddeductions/deductions.asp'>http://employment.govt.nz/er/pay/paymentanddeductions/deductions.asp</a></p>
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<br><br><p>Section 5(2) of the Wages Protection Act 1983 is the relevant legislation - pay a lawyer or get the Community Law Centre to draft you something, and email it to HR at work, and after 2 weeks, the employer no longer has the legal ability to make those deductions. Keep copies of the email(s), and if necessary, take legal action.</p>
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<p>That's bloody interesting and could definitely have been a workaround. 4 weeks notice is a bit extreme especially since from what I can tell I'm the only person in the company that isn't on 1-2 weeks. Unfortunately I do need to keep them onside to make life easier but will keep this in mind if other opportunities arise.</p> -
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<p>You would not read about it. I have offered to forego my holiday pay as I have been offered a job in the field I want to be in for a 3rd more money and better overall package and work balance.<br><br>
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<p>I just read about it</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="573590" data-time="1461107963"><p>I just read about it</p></blockquote>
Ha. Its gotten a little chilly in the work place. Current employer is being civil but there's no water cooler talk whatsoever.<br><br><br><br>
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<p>Ha. Its gotten a little chilly in the work place. Current employer is being civil but there's no water cooler talk whatsoever.<br><br><br><br>
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<p>I thought you were a landscaper ? you shouldn't be near a water cooler you should be on the tools.</p>