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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Gerry confirmed as deputy.
Wouldn't be my choice. Doesn't really scream fresh does he?
Not really - safe pair of hands I think.
I personally think it's too late for safe. In the current environment image is everything and stuffy white guy isn't gonna resonate with the voters
We aren’t American, we can avoid looking at everything through the myopic view of race.
Anyway, who cares who is deputy, we have the correct gender for the woke brigade as leader.
I just think Adams is smart enough. He probably won't sat much anyway. And what's wrong with a little more woke for those who care?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Gerry confirmed as deputy.
Wouldn't be my choice. Doesn't really scream fresh does he?
Not really - safe pair of hands I think.
I personally think it's too late for safe. In the current environment image is everything and stuffy white guy isn't gonna resonate with the voters
We aren’t American, we can avoid looking at everything through the myopic view of race.
Anyway, who cares who is deputy, we have the correct gender for the woke brigade as leader.
I just think Adams is smart enough. He probably won't sat much anyway. And what's wrong with a little more woke for those who care?
Just bored of stuffy white guy dog whistles
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Gerry confirmed as deputy.
Wouldn't be my choice. Doesn't really scream fresh does he?
Not really - safe pair of hands I think.
I personally think it's too late for safe. In the current environment image is everything and stuffy white guy isn't gonna resonate with the voters
Matters less for the deputy, especially since the leader is a female - the deputy doesn't seem to get judged the same way.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Gerry confirmed as deputy.
Wouldn't be my choice. Doesn't really scream fresh does he?
Not really - safe pair of hands I think.
I personally think it's too late for safe. In the current environment image is everything and stuffy white guy isn't gonna resonate with the voters
Matters less for the deputy, especially since the leader is a female - the deputy doesn't seem to get judged the same way.
Fair call. But if they get caught in a pissing contest about minorities and women, it would be nice to have it in reserve. And Adams is liberal, good for the swing voters
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
So who will they pick now? I don't see anyone who harbours serious designs on being leader longterm wanting this. Mitchell? Adams? Crusher? The outlook is bleak
Would love to see Crusher gave a crack. But I reckon she thinks losing the election rules her out going forward. Reckon she's lining up the next one.
My opinion is she'd get a good run at both.
But perhaps she doesn't want to be seen to lose one.
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I do think Collins is a fairly good choice. Tough, which she is going to need most trying to wrangle the factions of the fractured Nats together. Soimon supporters, Muller supporters, those who don't like her, those who want a fresh face...gonna be a bit of a nightmare. All while being Judith rather than Crusher. Good luck to her. Too bad she won't be able to offer baby or wedding pics.
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Fighting words from Crusher, so much more assured in front of the press than Todd
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@Virgil said in NZ Politics:
Sounds cruel but I’d love to see how Crusher would go as leader.
Either way the millions that will be spent on this years election does seem like a waste of money now.
Go me, in a politics thread of all places too
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@rotated Mitchell was the only other contender for leader. Deputy was contested but don't know who else stood.
Labour has a stuffy white guy as Deputy too. I don't think that matters a much as the Chch rebuild taint.
I think National's only hope of winning is t adopt the following strategy
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Immediately rule out working with NZF. Stop any right leaning voter going with them and hope they fail to get 5%
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Hammer the govt on the economy. Have 5 broad attack points and keep to them. Everyone stays on script no more fuck ups.
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Collins goes hard but attacks policy not person. Look authoritative not belligerent and substantial not presidential
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Shore up the Nat vote - these two have been chosen to do that. By all accounts. Collins is quite popular with the party at large. They have had her as leader after English - it was her caucus that stymied her
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Hope the above gives them close to where they poled in 2017 and that ACT can bring in 5 or 6 MP's and its game on.
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A total fuck up at the border - say a community outbreak would help too....
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@dogmeat the challenge for national is that they need to pick up the swing voters who have headed to Labour.
Judith isn't seen as a natural for that - she'll have to defy expectations and warm up the population. Basically she needs to go full Clarke/English and just exude competence everywhere, stay on policy, stay on detail, and stay on a plan that actually shows vision for our country.
After Muller got elected, the best they came up with was $10k for businesses to employ someone new. FFS, that's poor. Someone said (prior to this) if Labour proposed Communism, National would argue they'd manage it better. IT's hard - present a competent alternative governement, and do it in 10 weeks from a standing start. Can't see it happening.
the big question is what happens to Winston. Do swing labour drift there to avoid a Labour/Greens coalition that could be further left than most people want?
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@rotated Mitchell was the only other contender for leader. Deputy was contested but don't know who else stood.
Labour has a stuffy white guy as Deputy too. I don't think that matters a much as the Chch rebuild taint.
I think National's only hope of winning is t adopt the following strategy
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Immediately rule out working with NZF. Stop any right leaning voter going with them and hope they fail to get 5%
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Hammer the govt on the economy. Have 5 broad attack points and keep to them. Everyone stays on script no more fuck ups.
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Collins goes hard but attacks policy not person. Look authoritative not belligerent and substantial not presidential
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Shore up the Nat vote - these two have been chosen to do that. By all accounts. Collins is quite popular with the party at large. They have had her as leader after English - it was her caucus that stymied her
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Hope the above gives them close to where they poled in 2017 and that ACT can bring in 5 or 6 MP's and its game on.
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A total fuck up at the border - say a community outbreak would help too....
Isn't it Kelvin Davis?
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