Black Lives Matter
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I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
Overall narrative is what happened in UK to put Boris in.
Staunch supporters of both parties will vote for their respective parties.
Non-BAME swing voters will vote Trump because of the BLM protests and riots (was Brexit in UK).
BAME swing voters and disenfranchised won't vote.
Republicans have a bigger base in that scenario.
Republicans win.
The article itself, fuck me.
'In recent days the state has become the latest flashpoint in the nation's reckoning on race relations after a white police officer in Kenosha, an hour's drive away from Milwaukee, shot black man Jacob Blake...
A white teenager from Illinois, Kyle Rittenhouse, has been charged with murder after fatally shooting two people at the ensuing protests.'
Agenda much?
'Greg Lewis, a pastor at a black church in Milwaukee, knows first-hand how serious the virus is. When he was hospitalised earlier this year for Covid-19, the doctors told him: "If you don't do exactly what we're going to say, you're going to die."'
Non-medically trained pastor told by doctors to do what they say or he may perish from Covid-19
FFS, that's the same for every fucking patient.
' "Then we have Kamala who was sending people to jail left and right in California, and most of them were people of colour," he says, referring to Harris's time as attorney-general of California.
"People in our community are kind of disgusted: can we support people like this?"'
So black attorney-general standing for vice-president can't get the 'Black Vote' because she was too good at putting black offenders away.
FFS
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
Similar to the situation we had in the UK. A bombastic populist, who in normal circumstances would have little chance of being elected but the opposition were a shambles.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Similar to the situation we had in the UK. A bombastic populist, who in normal circumstances would have little chance of being elected but the opposition were a shambles
To be fair, that's been said about Johnson to explain every election he's won - either twice as London Mayor, Leader of the Tory Party or as PM.
Can't be all the opposition's fault.
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@Victor-Meldrew Livingstone, Livingstone, nobody and Corbyn. Not an impressive list.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew Livingstone, Livingstone, nobody and Corbyn. Not an impressive list.
So he's never successfully faced any serious opponents in 15 years of high-level politics? Right-o
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew Livingstone, Livingstone, nobody and Corbyn. Not an impressive list.
So he's never successfully faced any serious opponents in 15 years of high-level politics? Right-o
Not what said. It’s politics so he’s always facing off, some serious, some not. I was merely replying to your point about 2 mayoral elections, the Tory leadership vote and the last GE. Yes you can only beat what is in front of you but also you can be measured against those you beat. He’s without doubt a political animal and hell bent on winning (sorry tautology there) otherwise why not put your hand up when Cameron resigned?
It’s funny and I do find myself being conflicted around Boris. I find him an engaging personality and a breath of fresh air after what has gone before but do I think he will be a good leader? I hope so, but I doubt it. I did vote Tory in the last GE but in all honesty I would have if it was still May there or even God forbid Rubber lips Gove. If I was able I probably would have voted Boris for the Tory leadership, though more in the absence of a viable alternative.
In the end, he is the PM and he is providing direction and I am all for this but I really think we’re in the mess we are because of a lot of ambition and arrogance from quite a few of our so called leaders.
Anyway, back to the point in question, who of any weight has he beaten?
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Anyway, back to the point in question, who of any weight has he beaten?
The same weight of opponent that Blair, Thatcher, Wilson & McMillan beat?
At the end of the day, "Weight" is subjective, winning isn't.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The narrative is falling to pieces.
https://streamable.com/v72hvxWhat did you infer from this please?
My take was that he disagreed but couldn't say as much.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Anyway, back to the point in question, who of any weight has he beaten?
The same weight of opponent that Blair, Thatcher, Wilson & McMillan beat?
At the end of the day, "Weight" is subjective, winning isn't.
Ach! My friend, we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
@Rembrandt said in Black Lives Matter:
The narrative is falling to pieces.
https://streamable.com/v72hvxWhat did you infer from this please?
That MSM are now reporting more along the lines of a justified shooting.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
7 times. That is not justifiable
See I'm not convinced on that.
I'm sure 4 or 5 times seemed like overkill to someone once.. until they got severely harmed as they hadn't finished the perp off.
Spot on. Police are trained to fire until the threat no longer exists. If it takes seven shots, it takes seven shots.
I can understand that. Have you seen the footage? Assuming you have, would you have been happy if that officer had been under your command? I just don’t think anyone gets a free pass on this one.
I know this is a bit of a cop out, but I have no idea how I would be feeling. Videos very rarely tell the whole story.
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According to the attorney for the Kenosha police union
- They had attempted to tase him twice and both times failed.
- He had put one of the other officers in a headlock when they were scuffling.
- He had a knife in his possession which the police repeatedly asked him to drop.
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@Frank said in Black Lives Matter:
According to the attorney for the Kenosha police union
- They had attempted to tase him twice and both times failed.
- He had put one of the other officers in a headlock when they were scuffling.
- He had a knife in his possession which the police repeatedly asked him to drop.
This list of facts will have the BLM troublemakers up in arms that’s for sure
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@canefan said in Black Lives Matter:
I found this article interesting. Unlike some posters here I only take a pretty outside view of American politics
If the Dems lose again they will only have themselves to blame. As detestable as I think Trump is, the dems can look back having failed to put up an attractive alternative that captures the imagination
I dunno, I think Kamala is kinda hot
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I am wary of getting pulled down twitter/facebook rabbitholes but probably helpful to add some perspective as a person of color is the US. The content of the initial letter is nothing new in the US and many countries that do contain underpriviliged and undersestimated people. I am doubtful that it was written by a black professor but that claim will always give it a bigger push. The core of the argument is familiar, always slightly different, why do light skin blacks perform better than dark skin blacks, why do black women perform better than black men, the same things were heard on plantations, in Southern Africa why do coloreds perform better than African, or elsewhere why are Tutsis better than Hutus, why are Carribean american Blacks better than African-American blacks. The common thread is that many of these differences are minimal but have roots in oppression, and were perpetuated for the benefit a few. There are a long list of ways and reasons that there effects still manifest themselves and many books which cover that ground. Yes particularly in America there is opportunity for everyone, but even successful blacks , Robert Smith, Oprah Winfrey , Lebron James who laud hard work will bring light to the extreme inequality that makes the road very tough for any young person of color. The unequal opportunity starts at kindergarten, continues through school, continues in police interactions, the legal system the list is long. The struggles are not limited to socio-economic status though this is clearly a factor. Very instructive to hear the NBA players, coaches (Doc Rivers, ) GM (Masai Ujiri) opine on their feelings and experiences and one understands the fear , anxiety and frustration to be a black man in America. Particularly Doc Rivers talking about the talk every black family must have with their young sons.
The other notable point was the idea that "Black Lives Matter" is some kind of a political, party composed of anarchists and rioters a narrative that has been effective for Trump and co but a source of frustration for most supporters who are peaceful. At its core I dont think the statement could be clearer and simpler " We matter, our lives matter, see us, help us". On the other side I do love the mobilization and voting efforts initiated by NBA players and others , making voting difficult for black people is something that has happened for years and to make this more accessible and easier can be a game changer. For the record black voters pretty much brought Biden from the brink , so lets see what happens in November.
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@DMX said in Black Lives Matter:
The other notable point was the idea that "Black Lives Matter" is some kind of a political, party composed of anarchists and rioters a narrative that has been effective for Trump and co but a source of frustration for most supporters who are peaceful. At its core I dont think the statement could be clearer and simpler " We matter, our lives matter, see us, help us".
Great post! But I have to disagree on that the message is clear. Much is done and said in the name of the movement and with no figurehead or centralized demands/policy it is incredibly murky exactly what the boundaries of the broader BLM movement are.
Ignore the supposedly fringe elements including property damage, talk of reparations and the 'disease of whiteness' philosophy and look at something as simple as Defund the Police. Surely that forms a core part of the BLM platform at this stage?
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Black Lives Matter:
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Anyway, back to the point in question, who of any weight has he beaten?
The same weight of opponent that Blair, Thatcher, Wilson & McMillan beat?
At the end of the day, "Weight" is subjective, winning isn't.
Ach! My friend, we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think.
Well, to be fair, time will tell if either of us are right....