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@nzzp said in Climate Change Thread #3:
@TeWaio XKCD are bloody good at staying pretty rigorous.
For kids, check out the book 'thing explainer'. Uses only the 1000 most used words to explain complicated things for kids. Great fun
https://www.amazon.com/Thing-Explainer-Complicated-Stuff-Simple/dp/0544668251
link ... it's also available in nZ
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@booboo said in Climate Change Thread #3:
I interesting listen. It reinforces a lot of what the other video says though. There clearly is not a consensus on the level of mans effect on climate change.
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comments are always amusing
I know this is a couple of years old....
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
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@taniwharugby While on the Antarctic - there is some good news (and we may need a bit less sunblock in NZ).
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/antarctic-ozone-hole-repairs-itself-8319767
It shows that human activity does have an impact on things and that we can change our ways to help the planet (and ourselves).
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Yeah I remember ozone layer and CFCs being the thing when I was a kid. Scientists said "Hey this shit is bad" and people said "alright we'll stop it" and now we have an outcome.
Big difference between then and now - that was a few chemicals we had to find alternatives for, that we'd not really been using for a long period of time.
Climate change is an energy system we have to remake, that we've been using for centuries.
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@NTA Strangely the increased number / violence of storms around the world will be generating more ozone, I would assume anyway. I'm no expert. So you lose one, you win one, maybe?
Could always tell when flying around thunderstorms that there was lightning about ( the distinct smell of ozone).
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Sorry to dredge this one up again but I've recently become friends with an actual climate scientist which has proven surprisingly fascinating. We've only had a couple discussions over beers (well mostly me on the beers). He's from China which is fascinating on its own. Having now started giving a tiny bit more credence to the possibility that climate change may not be manmade or more likely that programs like the Paris accord might just be a gargantuan waste of money that could be put to better environmental solutions, I naturally had to ask him his thoughts. Obviously since 97% of scientists apparently agree I expected to be rightfully put in my place...except I wasn't.
I will get more specifics later on but the gist of the chats we have had is that 'yes' climate is warming. But according to all analysis he cannot say with any confidence that this is caused by man. He says with the one set of results he can proove both the manmade climate change theory as well as disprove it depending on how they want to present it. The complexities are so vast you cannot get close to getting a truthful answer and if anything the more they have discovered the more they have found they can't explain. He also says trying to monetise CO2 emmisions is just stupid. This guy is on a whole level of intelligence above mine so I need a lot of dumbing down to try and follow him properly and no beer does not aid that process.
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@Rembrandt said in Climate Change Thread #3:
Sorry to dredge this one up again but I've recently become friends with an actual climate scientist which has proven surprisingly fascinating. We've only had a couple discussions over beers (well mostly me on the beers). He's from China which is fascinating on its own. Having now started giving a tiny bit more credence to the possibility that climate change may not be manmade or more likely that programs like the Paris accord might just be a gargantuan waste of money that could be put to better environmental solutions, I naturally had to ask him his thoughts. Obviously since 97% of scientists apparently agree I expected to be rightfully put in my place...except I wasn't.
I will get more specifics later on but the gist of the chats we have had is that 'yes' climate is warming. But according to all analysis he cannot say with any confidence that this is caused by man. He says with the one set of results he can proove both the manmade climate change theory as well as disprove it depending on how they want to present it. The complexities are so vast you cannot get close to getting a truthful answer and if anything the more they have discovered the more they have found they can't explain. He also says trying to monetise CO2 emmisions is just stupid. This guy is on a whole level of intelligence above mine so I need a lot of dumbing down to try and follow him properly and no beer does not aid that process.
That has been my experience talking to scientists about it. One simply said "we just don't fucking know".
This is why it's infuriating when people try to equate global warming skepticism with being an antivaccer. It's complete bullshit. As is the disgusting use of the word "denier" to link skeptics to holocaust deniers.
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Looks like Germany can't reduce it's CO2 emissions due to reliance on coal. Guess who has championed the coal industry her entire political career, and eliminated their nuclear power industry on a whim? Merkel.
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Thought that rather than start a new topic I'd modify this one. This post is kind of related anyway but I'm sure we're all tree hugging greenies deep down and need a place to discuss ways to save our planet ...
Saw this column in stuff which expressed some of my gut feelings about how banning of plastic shopping bags is counter productive. But the dude provides some additional numbers to back it up.
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@booboo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Thought that rather than start a new topic I'd modify this one. This post is kind of related anyway but I'm sure we're all tree hugging greenies deep down and need a place to discuss ways to save our planet ...
Saw this column in stuff which expressed some of my gut feelings about how banning of plastic shopping bags is counter productive. But the dude provides some additional numbers to back it up.
Great post.
I particularly liked the sarcastic line about how it's not important to make a difference, just appear to be making a difference.
That could be said to be the motto of the entire political and activist class.
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@booboo Not often you read something you agree with 100%, but that is it for me.
What people don't understand is plastic bags are (almost) free because the feedstock they're made from is what's left over after we make transport fuels. One barrel of oil is split up into the things with the highest demand: petrol, diesel, aviation fuel, and the sludge left over is made into plastic bags, or put on roads. The greenie argument that we're turning oil into plastic bags then throwing them away isn't the environmental disaster its made out to be.
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@tewaio yeah, I discovered this a few years back too - although the colossal piles of plastic floating around the ocean is certainly a byproducts of it.
Same argument goes for shipping and the heavy fuel oil they burn. I've never touched it, but apparently it's almost like tar.
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it's just those irresponsible cnuts who litter...those bags have so many uses3
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@majorrage Yep, that's why shipping stuff is cheap, plastic bags are cheap, candles are cheap, and (per sq metre) road surfacing is cheap. It's all making use of the abundant byproducts of refining.
I saw an ad on Facebook the other day that asked "why don't we use recycled plastic rather than digging up oil to surface our roads?". It's quite amazing to get that many wrong statements in one sentence.
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@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
it's just those irresponsible cnuts who litter...those bags have so many uses3
They do and I originally missed them when Canberra banned them, but you don't see as many lying around as litter. @MajorRage 's point is also valid; the sea is littered with plastic because people are lazy.
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