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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@mooshld said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@canefan said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Rembrandt I'll agree with you that rooting out places that foster or tolerate extremism is a good start. If they trace these acts back to a mosque for example that place should be shut down
So thats twitter fucked then
I love the fact Trump is going to start calling them losers. A while some analyst was saying the best way to kill recruitment is to make ISIS appear sad and pathetic losers.
Linking these attacks to Islam, calling on Islamic leaders to do something, and mocking anyone that commits these acts. Not going to solve the problem but it's a bloody start, which is more then I can say for 8 years of Obama.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I don't think it's a calculated move from him, but agreed that it's probably the best way to refer to them - don't give them the ego boost of calling them great monsters.
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The police knew of the bomber, it is likely he and his brother had been travelling to and from Libya in recent times. An Imam friend of the father had warned the bomber about the evils of ISIS (apparently) and noticed a troubling response which he termed "a face of hate". The neighbours could hear the bomber chanting out passages from the Koran in the weeks leading up to the bombing. He had recently grown a beard (did I just make that up? I thought I read that too). At some point it will become acceptable for the police to search peoples' premises and property purely on suspicion. At some point it needs to become unacceptable for people close to these fuckwads not to alert authorities to suspicious behaviour, all the signs were there. Those on the periphery and those who might become upset about trampling of civil rights need to realise it's not a racial persecution thing, it's not a religious persecution thing, it's a preventative action thing. If you aren't doing anything wrong you will have little to worry about, but for those 'people of interest' to police a greater watch must be kept over them
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@No-Quarter said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@mooshld said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@canefan said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Rembrandt I'll agree with you that rooting out places that foster or tolerate extremism is a good start. If they trace these acts back to a mosque for example that place should be shut down
So thats twitter fucked then
I love the fact Trump is going to start calling them losers. A while some analyst was saying the best way to kill recruitment is to make ISIS appear sad and pathetic losers.
Linking these attacks to Islam, calling on Islamic leaders to do something, and mocking anyone that commits these acts. Not going to solve the problem but it's a bloody start, which is more then I can say for 8 years of Obama.
Certainly more effective than stressing about the "inevitable backlash" that never seems to occur or trying to figure out what these children might have done to bring this upon themselves.
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@mooshld said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@canefan said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Rembrandt I'll agree with you that rooting out places that foster or tolerate extremism is a good start. If they trace these acts back to a mosque for example that place should be shut down
So thats twitter fucked then
Even more when you hear reports of people making Twitter accounts with fake victim queries ("have you seen"), in order to generate retweets.
That's pretty fucking low.
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@NTA said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@mooshld said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@canefan said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Rembrandt I'll agree with you that rooting out places that foster or tolerate extremism is a good start. If they trace these acts back to a mosque for example that place should be shut down
So thats twitter fucked then
Even more when you hear reports of people making Twitter accounts with fake victim queries ("have you seen"), in order to generate retweets.
That's pretty fucking low.
Speaking of people using the attack to drive attention towards them:
How self absorbed do you need to be?
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@antipodean said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@NTA said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@mooshld said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@canefan said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Rembrandt I'll agree with you that rooting out places that foster or tolerate extremism is a good start. If they trace these acts back to a mosque for example that place should be shut down
So thats twitter fucked then
Even more when you hear reports of people making Twitter accounts with fake victim queries ("have you seen"), in order to generate retweets.
That's pretty fucking low.
Speaking of people using the attack to drive attention towards them:
How self absorbed do you need to be?
I guess it gives her time out from farmville
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@antipodean who is that?
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@Frank said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
@Tim
Not sure about that. His branding is very calculated.
They are set up for visual impact and future confirmation bias. (Crooked Hillary, Lyin Ted, Low Energy Jeb)http://blog.dilbert.com/post/160986020961/goodbye-isis-hello-losers
That's drawing a very, very long bow.
It pays to recall that people didn't associate Hillary with being crooked as a result of Trump; that was a well held public perception. Trump just gave her a nickname. If anyone thinks giving ISIS a nickname defeats the spread of Wahhabism, they're not paying attention.
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Mark Steyn's editorial on the wider cultural/policy issues. I'm sure a few will dislike the source, but it is worth a read even if you disagree with his stance on islamic immigration. Most people with these views either don't share them or don't present them as eloquently
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Great article from Steyn.
A great comment from "Brendan Smith" in response to Steyn:
The west is faced with an implacable foe, always seeking to outdo itself in terms of evil and depravity. Hugh Muir of the Guardian believes he has the answer. He's calling for the most robust possible attack law enforcement can muster......against free speech.
Keep sounding the alarm. Hopefully our society will awake before it's too late.
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Damn, it's troubling when news comes out to say a person who has just caused agony to so many people and families was known to authorities.
I'm all for civil liberties...but fuck. If someone is behaving in a very odd manner and doing a whole bunch of things that hardcore twinge the terrorist antenna, then greater good and protection of innocents should always take precedence.
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@Mokey said in Manchester Arena Explosion:
Damn, it's troubling when news comes out to say a person who has just caused agony to so many people and families was known to authorities.
I'm all for civil liberties...but fuck. If someone is behaving in a very odd manner and doing a whole bunch of things that hardcore twinge the terrorist antenna, then greater good and protection of innocents should always take precedence.
Problem is what he was preaching is straight from the Koran. If the police go around investigating everyone that preaches stuff from the Koran they'll be very busy indeed. I honestly don't think there is much they can do to prevent someone manufacturing an explosive device and running into a crowded area. They've already thwarted a bunch of attacks in the past year, which in itself is an incredible achievement, but all of that stuff is very much the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. It's the ideology in it's most fundamental form (Wahhabism) that is inspiring this sort of depraved shit.
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