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Re: "There are no easy answers, etc." Of course. But Scott Adams has an interesting hot take. I like it. "Change the frame."
Helping The Terrorists Recruit
There is more terrorism in the news, this time in London. So how do the British politicians respond?
They do a recruitment ad for more terrorists.
They start by giving the terrorists cool labels, such as “Islamic extremists.” Do you know what sounds like an awesome club for an angry young Muslim to join? I’m thinking “Islamic Extremist” sound about right. That branding should be great for recruitment.
The media also helps terror recruitment with their wall-to-wall news about the terrorists’ successes. Every time they mention the body count, the bad guys cheer.
A better approach for the media, if they want to be helpful, might involve inviting a continuous line of Muslim scholars and critics to talk about how these “gullible losers” were duped by ISIS to kill themselves and spend eternity in Hell. And we need lots of visual and other persuasion about Hell. I want Photoshopped images of the terrorists burning for eternity. I want descriptions of the smells, tastes, and sounds they are experiencing, so the next “lone wolf” has something to contrast with the 72 virgin story. Let’s put some doubt into that mix. Fear is a good persuader.
I also wonder why the families of terrorists are not being flooded with condolence messages from Muslim clerics saying they are sorry about their kid burning in Hell for eternity. Be sincere about it. Include some digital representation of Hell in those cards and letters.
Change the frame.
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http://blog.dilbert.com/post/161427038341/helping-the-terrorists-recruit
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@Rembrandt said in Another attack in London:
@Hooroo Sometimes I wish I could have that state of mind, it would certainly make me a happier individual. The way I feel is if we don't do something now what will the world look like in 5, 10, 15 years? In my mind since I see a real problem I owe it to the next generation to at least try and address it.
I think it will eventually run its course of destruction and then something heavier and more destructive will come along and IS will be a thing of history.
A massive virus or bug could decimate a large percentage of the population of this planet as well? I'm not overly concerned about that.
I am kind of the opinion that if we just all get on with our own lives and keep our sticky beaks out of oithers business you can live a happy and more fulfilling life.
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@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
@Rembrandt said in Another attack in London:
@Hooroo Sometimes I wish I could have that state of mind, it would certainly make me a happier individual. The way I feel is if we don't do something now what will the world look like in 5, 10, 15 years? In my mind since I see a real problem I owe it to the next generation to at least try and address it.
I am kind of the opinion that if we just all get on with our own lives and keep our sticky beaks out of oithers business you can live a happy and more fulfilling life.
For sure, no doubt that's exactly what the kids going to the Ariana Grande concert were doing.
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I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary. -
@Frank said in Another attack in London:
Was the Fern down because we were on the verge of solving the ISIS problem?
Problem? What problem?
http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/1684/forum-software-update/10
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@Hooroo I genuinely hope you're right, my worry is that you're not and a group passivity to this until it effects us personally may lead to action far too late.
Footage of radicalisation in islamic schools and mosques is pretty unnerving when you start to consider the numbers involved and the lack of action currently in place. I'm sure NZ won't feel the effects for a long time. Aussie will be sooner, one on right now in melbourne if early reports are to be believed.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Another attack in London:
@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
Because they scared me more?
I seem to remember everyone being on edge from threats, certainly you tried to get in and out of tube and rail stations quickly. The threats were vocal more than actual until after I left London but what had been expected finally did come.
At the moment I am more wary of the hammer wielding scooter thugs that just target people from behind in packs. They are a scourge.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Another attack in London:
@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
Because they scared me more?
I seem to remember everyone being on edge from threats, certainly you tried to get in and out of tube and rail stations quickly. The threats were vocal more than actual until after I left London but what had been expected finally did come.
At the moment I am more wary of the hammer wielding scooter thugs that just target people from behind in packs. They are a scourge.
The IRA called it's bombs, had far fewer serious attacks, fewer active members and killed less.
No way were they more scary.
And yes I lived in London during both times as well. Actual IRA and Islamic attacks on travel routes I used. The IRA attack onpy killed people because the bomber got his bomb clock wrong by 12 hours...
The Islamists got theirs exactly right.
As for soccer thugs.. what is their death toll against innocents so far this year. Must have missed there last murderous rampage against innocent children.And what exact chance did the little 8 year old girl in Manchester have against that bomb?
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Why announce you want to avoid discussing Islam and then say that the IRA scared you more? Seriously wtf does the IRA have to do with any of this? Seems to be some kind of weird deflection and argument that these guys really aren't that bad.
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FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
Then why even mention the IRA or any other form of violence. How on earth is that relevant in this discussion other than being an attempt to downplay what just happened?
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
FFS right back at you. I was giving my opinion and questioning the validity and basis for yours.
You can have your opinion and others can question and say your opinion is wrong.
My opinion is that saying IRA bombs were more scary is laughable.
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I was scared by both the IRA and Islamic terrorists while I lived in London.
Have to agree with BSG though, the IRA didn't target civilians in the same way these Islamists do. Something very visceral and terrifying about running around with 12 inch blades stabbing and slashing random people. Not to mention blowing up eight year old girls.
Not sure a phoned in bomb threat and a controlled detonation by the police has the same effect.
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The republican terrorist attacks were very scary, they were constant and went on for years. I can easily see why @Crucial feels the way he does. As an example, in 1974 there were 9 defined terrorist attacks in the UK related to republicanism. 6 in mainland UK. Note this does not take into account kidnappings, kneecappings and murders. Some of the attacks were absolutely horrifying, many were less so but the threat was always there. Very sensible to be scared. Anyone remember the removal of litter bins in London to reduce places where bombs could be hidden?
Do the attacks themselves bear comparison with the current situation? IMO not really. They were not as totally indiscriminate or irrational and of course with the addition of willing suicide to obtain 72 raisins there is the sense of "How the fuck can we legislate for these fluffybunnies?"
Both times are scary but we are dealing with two different mindsets. Though I doubt that is relevant to anyone that has been killed by either faction.
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