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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Another attack in London:
@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
Because they scared me more?
I seem to remember everyone being on edge from threats, certainly you tried to get in and out of tube and rail stations quickly. The threats were vocal more than actual until after I left London but what had been expected finally did come.
At the moment I am more wary of the hammer wielding scooter thugs that just target people from behind in packs. They are a scourge.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Another attack in London:
@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
I'm going to steer clear of the Islam discussion here and just make an observation on how this affects life in London.
Quite obviously it is a big city and you have to be pretty unlucky to be wrong time, wrong place and get caught up in this shit. I guess where this one made me a little more wary is that for me this was only wrong time. last Saturday I was sitting in the spot where the fuckwits eventually got gunned down and earlier on Saturday my son and his girlfriend had discussed heading there that night.
Still, timing is everything eh?
I still feel safer here now than I did in the late 80s though, mainly because of the way these idiots operate which at least still gives you a chance even if the time/place equation happens. The old IRA bombs were far more scary.How were the IRA bomb far more scary??
Because they scared me more?
I seem to remember everyone being on edge from threats, certainly you tried to get in and out of tube and rail stations quickly. The threats were vocal more than actual until after I left London but what had been expected finally did come.
At the moment I am more wary of the hammer wielding scooter thugs that just target people from behind in packs. They are a scourge.
The IRA called it's bombs, had far fewer serious attacks, fewer active members and killed less.
No way were they more scary.
And yes I lived in London during both times as well. Actual IRA and Islamic attacks on travel routes I used. The IRA attack onpy killed people because the bomber got his bomb clock wrong by 12 hours...
The Islamists got theirs exactly right.
As for soccer thugs.. what is their death toll against innocents so far this year. Must have missed there last murderous rampage against innocent children.And what exact chance did the little 8 year old girl in Manchester have against that bomb?
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Why announce you want to avoid discussing Islam and then say that the IRA scared you more? Seriously wtf does the IRA have to do with any of this? Seems to be some kind of weird deflection and argument that these guys really aren't that bad.
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FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
Then why even mention the IRA or any other form of violence. How on earth is that relevant in this discussion other than being an attempt to downplay what just happened?
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
FFS right back at you. I was giving my opinion and questioning the validity and basis for yours.
You can have your opinion and others can question and say your opinion is wrong.
My opinion is that saying IRA bombs were more scary is laughable.
And scooter thugs? Get back to me when the death toll on innocents reaches the thousands. Until then it is a diversion tactic. -
I was scared by both the IRA and Islamic terrorists while I lived in London.
Have to agree with BSG though, the IRA didn't target civilians in the same way these Islamists do. Something very visceral and terrifying about running around with 12 inch blades stabbing and slashing random people. Not to mention blowing up eight year old girls.
Not sure a phoned in bomb threat and a controlled detonation by the police has the same effect.
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The republican terrorist attacks were very scary, they were constant and went on for years. I can easily see why @Crucial feels the way he does. As an example, in 1974 there were 9 defined terrorist attacks in the UK related to republicanism. 6 in mainland UK. Note this does not take into account kidnappings, kneecappings and murders. Some of the attacks were absolutely horrifying, many were less so but the threat was always there. Very sensible to be scared. Anyone remember the removal of litter bins in London to reduce places where bombs could be hidden?
Do the attacks themselves bear comparison with the current situation? IMO not really. They were not as totally indiscriminate or irrational and of course with the addition of willing suicide to obtain 72 raisins there is the sense of "How the fuck can we legislate for these fluffybunnies?"
Both times are scary but we are dealing with two different mindsets. Though I doubt that is relevant to anyone that has been killed by either faction.
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Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
I perfectly reasonable response in the circumstances (the first one I mean)
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Following up his earlier post, Scott Adams replied to this announcement:
"Good first step. Now let's see a list of Imams who wouldn't sign it."
"Imagine having the information about which Imams in Britain WOULD do a funeral prayer for a terrorist who murdered British citizens. Call me an optimist, but I think that information would help the British public sort things out."
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@canefan said in Another attack in London:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
I perfectly reasonable response in the circumstances (the first one I mean)
The Somme 1916
"Die you squarehead Hun bastards."
"Pull your head in Smith. That is a gross generalisation about the appearance of Germans, not to mention insulting to those of them who have mothers."
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Since we're talking racial generalities here I know there are a lot of British Sihks who are patriots and very handy with a knife, the best of the young ones should be recruited as agents to infiltrate Muslim cells and execute an Order 66.
Just thinking out loud here... (jesuschrist i'm gonna type this up and sell it to hollywood)
Another attack in London