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FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
Then why even mention the IRA or any other form of violence. How on earth is that relevant in this discussion other than being an attempt to downplay what just happened?
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@Crucial said in Another attack in London:
FFS both of you. I was making a personal comment and observation about how I feel as someone living here. I was NOT trying to downplay anything or overstate something else. It is totally subjective and arguing against me does not and cannot change how I felt in the late 80s/early 90s or how I feel now.
and @Baron-Silas-Greenback, it's scooter thugs I mentioned, not soccer thugs. No they haven't killed anyway but they are randomly attacking people daily throughout the city.
FFS right back at you. I was giving my opinion and questioning the validity and basis for yours.
You can have your opinion and others can question and say your opinion is wrong.
My opinion is that saying IRA bombs were more scary is laughable.
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I was scared by both the IRA and Islamic terrorists while I lived in London.
Have to agree with BSG though, the IRA didn't target civilians in the same way these Islamists do. Something very visceral and terrifying about running around with 12 inch blades stabbing and slashing random people. Not to mention blowing up eight year old girls.
Not sure a phoned in bomb threat and a controlled detonation by the police has the same effect.
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The republican terrorist attacks were very scary, they were constant and went on for years. I can easily see why @Crucial feels the way he does. As an example, in 1974 there were 9 defined terrorist attacks in the UK related to republicanism. 6 in mainland UK. Note this does not take into account kidnappings, kneecappings and murders. Some of the attacks were absolutely horrifying, many were less so but the threat was always there. Very sensible to be scared. Anyone remember the removal of litter bins in London to reduce places where bombs could be hidden?
Do the attacks themselves bear comparison with the current situation? IMO not really. They were not as totally indiscriminate or irrational and of course with the addition of willing suicide to obtain 72 raisins there is the sense of "How the fuck can we legislate for these fluffybunnies?"
Both times are scary but we are dealing with two different mindsets. Though I doubt that is relevant to anyone that has been killed by either faction.
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Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
I perfectly reasonable response in the circumstances (the first one I mean)
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Following up his earlier post, Scott Adams replied to this announcement:
"Good first step. Now let's see a list of Imams who wouldn't sign it."
"Imagine having the information about which Imams in Britain WOULD do a funeral prayer for a terrorist who murdered British citizens. Call me an optimist, but I think that information would help the British public sort things out."
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@canefan said in Another attack in London:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Just read that one of the guys who filmed while the attacks were taking place chided another person for yelling "fucking Muslim fluffybunnies" while he was filming. Doesn't that just say everything.
I perfectly reasonable response in the circumstances (the first one I mean)
The Somme 1916
"Die you squarehead Hun bastards."
"Pull your head in Smith. That is a gross generalisation about the appearance of Germans, not to mention insulting to those of them who have mothers."
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Since we're talking racial generalities here I know there are a lot of British Sihks who are patriots and very handy with a knife, the best of the young ones should be recruited as agents to infiltrate Muslim cells and execute an Order 66.
Just thinking out loud here... (jesuschrist i'm gonna type this up and sell it to hollywood)
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@Catogrande said in Another attack in London:
The republican terrorist attacks were very scary, they were constant and went on for years. I can easily see why @Crucial feels the way he does. As an example, in 1974 there were 9 defined terrorist attacks in the UK related to republicanism. 6 in mainland UK. Note this does not take into account kidnappings, kneecappings and murders. Some of the attacks were absolutely horrifying, many were less so but the threat was always there. Very sensible to be scared. Anyone remember the removal of litter bins in London to reduce places where bombs could be hidden?
Do the attacks themselves bear comparison with the current situation? IMO not really. They were not as totally indiscriminate or irrational and of course with the addition of willing suicide to obtain 72 raisins there is the sense of "How the fuck can we legislate for these fluffybunnies?"
Both times are scary but we are dealing with two different mindsets. Though I doubt that is relevant to anyone that has been killed by either faction.
I'd beg to differ on the discriminate or less scary nature of IRA terrorists. Actually, make that IRA murderers. Terrorists is becoming too glamorous a term.
Bombings and killings from two separate factions at war with each other was pretty scary. Making sure you didn't get in the wrong taxi, or find yourself on the wrong street, or getting stopped at checkpoints late at night with nervous soldiers was pretty scary. Avoiding speaking so that your accent didn't betray you was pretty scary. Not giving your name so that you couldn't be identified as from one place or another was pretty scary. And setting off bombs that mistakenly or accidentally killed civilians as opposed to military became a common enough 'mistake' to be pretty scary too.
Terror takes many forms. It's all pretty fucking scary. Especially, if you're on the receiving end and injured or
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Because it doesn't quite fit his "narrative"??????
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Mayor Khan spoke at the vigil saying, “London stands in defiance against
this cowardly attack on our city, our people, our values and our way of life,”these psychopaths," he said adding, “as Mayor of London, I want to send a clear message to thesick and evil extremistspathetic losers who commit thesehideous crimespsychopathic atrocities.We will defeat you.You're being duped and sold-out like cheap trash rent-boys.You will not win.”You're going to rot in Hell for Eternity, dumbasses." -
Over 50 IRA bombs exploded in London in the 70's so I think anyone can justifiably say they were scared of IRA attacks. It's a personal reaction and doesn't really justify a outrageometer.
Nevertheless it is the senseless disregard for the lives of others and more particularly their own that differentiates these modern scum.
In the main IRA bomber property - although there were exceptions and definitely eschewed the suicide bombing gambit -
@dogmeat said in Another attack in London:
Over 50 IRA bombs exploded in London in the 70's so I think anyone can justifiably say they were scared of IRA attacks. It's a personal reaction and doesn't really justify a outrageometer.
Nevertheless it is the senseless disregard for the lives of others and more particularly their own that differentiates these modern scum.
In the main IRA bomber property - although there were exceptions and definitely eschewed the suicide bombing gambitNobody said they souldnt be scared or were not scared of IRA bombs at the time. Queries were raised over the claim the IRA bombings were "far more scary"
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Another attack in London:
@dogmeat said in Another attack in London:
Over 50 IRA bombs exploded in London in the 70's so I think anyone can justifiably say they were scared of IRA attacks. It's a personal reaction and doesn't really justify a outrageometer.
Nevertheless it is the senseless disregard for the lives of others and more particularly their own that differentiates these modern scum.
In the main IRA bomber property - although there were exceptions and definitely eschewed the suicide bombing gambitNobody said they souldnt be scared or were not scared of IRA bombs at the time. Queries were raised over the claim the IRA bombings were "far more scary"
People can be scared of whatever they like, but when they start ranking them and ISIS is not top? That is debate worthy.If I recall it wasn't a claim someone was expressing their personal feelings based on their own experience. I think there is a difference
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I don't see how you get to make a claim unless you've lived both experiences.
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