Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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<p>Star Wars is about the wars side of things. if you want science, go watch Star Trek. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="438844" data-time="1404348432">
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<p>Star Wars is about the wars side of things. if you want science, go watch Star Trek. </p>
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<p>They pilot their own ships there too.</p>
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<p>It really never occured to me at all till I read the Culture series & then watched a TV show about google cars... now its one of those "once you've seen it" things where I can't watch anyone flying a star ship at light speed manually & not think "I'm pretty sure google will have an app for that" At least in Dune they had an explantation - the machine wars, same with the Matrix, where it was obvious why super intelligent machines did not fly things.</p>
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<p>Its like when you watch a movie with giant insects after finding out that the are physically impossible.</p>
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<p>I can suspend disbelief re the force, vulcan mind melds, dragons, wookies etc its the simple stuff that we actually have in our universe that is a struggle. Its like after watching Gravity its very hard to see someone in space take off their helmet & explode, or see an explosion & hear it. In space. In a vacum. Its totally possible there are giant slug beasts that are criminal masterminds somewhere in the universe, but when shit explodes it space you don't hear the boom, and any civillisation that has hyper intelligent droids & faster than light travel is not parking their own space ships or letting humans manually fly out of trillion dollar space docks with 20 foot of clearance on each side...</p>
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<p>Theres a great bit in The Hydrogen Sonata where there's a huge space battle & the ship is watching it with a human & the ship goes "ooh! I like this bit!" & then human goes ? & the ship laughs & goes "Ha! you didn't think this was real time did you? This whole battle took 2 nanoseconds, I've slowed the recording down so you can watch". </p> -
Gollum, they do use computers for piloting. Often. Calculating hyperspace jumps and auto pilot, for example. C3PO tells Han the odds against navigating manually in the asteroid field, but he's doing it to evade the Imperial Fleet. So is intentionally doing something crazy, and unpredictable. Whether a computer could navigate it, even with Star Wars tech, would depend on what sensors the ships had and the processing power the ship had. Considering it's described as a hunk of junk, it might only have google car highway only auto pilot ability. End nerd response here.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="438917" data-time="1404420894">
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<p>Are we still talking about actors and cameras?<br><br>
Its.not.real</p>
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<p>- Physics defying intergallactic hyperdrive: check</p>
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<p>- state of the art force field and laser system: check</p>
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<p>- clunky 1970s headset that you have to hold to speak into (with cords): check</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="438939" data-time="1404444459">
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<p>Nice. When did Star Wars go from being entertainment to a reality show?</p>
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<p>I get that, but its hard, for example, to watch a TV show set in 2012 where they don't have maps on their phones, cause that basic fricking tech for us. As I said, the big stuff its REALLY easy to suspend disbelief - ie giant slug beasts, even hyperdrives, its the little bits like soiund in space that are hard. Same with all fantasy, Dragons? No problem, being able fire a bow 2000m? Um, no... that I don't get.</p>
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<p>Same with Gravity, the hyge step there was the idea that you could jet pack from the ISS to the Chinese one, thats a massive no way, but because every small thing was right people went, OK, I'll forgive you the whopper. </p>
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<p>Entertainment needs to have at least a grounding in reality, you wouldn't watch a cop show where they regularly picked up fired bullets & used them to reload with. Or a hospital show where they did a lung transplant by opening up a random dead guy, grabbed his lungs stuffed them in a chest cavity, squirted in super glue & went "CLEAR! whew! that was a close one!". ER had a series of REEEALLY unlikely plots, but they were close enough, then Romanos arm fell off & half the audience went "Ok, I'm out".</p>
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<p>A lot of movies have been raved about for their accuracy Gravity, Saving Private Ryan, Even Alien became a cult hit because it was so "real" as opposed to the over the top schlock. Audiences are much more discerning now than they were years ago, especially in the nerd-i-verse. Theres an entire website explaining how the winters might work in Game of Thrones for example, ie a lot of the core audience actually give a shit re the length of the winter... even Dani's arse cannot distract them. </p> -
<p>I guess, especially with regard to the original trilogy, you need to realise you are watching films made in the late 70s and early 80s. That and the fact that those films were kind of like knights and battles but transplanted into some futuristic past. It's hard for me to be unbiased because I grew up with Episode 4-7. But it seemed like those films when released did not depend solely on the sci fi tech they boasted but were just as much about relationships of the characters, compared to Episodes 1-3 for me were all about SFX but had much poorer characters and character development.</p>
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Um. Are we still talking about kids movies? Set in space? Because if we are, then any discussion about the level of their gritty realism seems pretty bloody stupid. <br><br>
And I'll be fucked if I start basing my entertainment around the opinions of recluse shut in obsessive nerds. Fuck those guys. And fuck the way they over think everything and then whinge -
<p>Movies are made for entertainment, action, humour, drama and a bit of escapism arent they?? </p>
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<p>If you want realistic, I hear they do these documentary things, although in alot of cases, they need to do re-enactments or use CGI, which is obviously not real either....</p> -
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<p>Um. Are we still talking about <em><strong>kids movies</strong></em>? Set in space? Because if we are, then any discussion about the level of their gritty realism seems pretty bloody stupid.<br><br>
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<p>Yeah we are, but most adults who like them like to pretend they're <em><strong>not</strong></em> aimed at 9 year olds - and 9 year old intellect. But yes, I agree 100%, as kids movies they are great & any realism issues can be utterly ignored. Tragically most Star Wars fans lose their shit at the idea they are kids films, despite falling in love with them as kids. Its like explaining to a 40 year old reading Harry Potter its written for a child. </p> -
<p>If the story is good enough, it's amazing what readers/viewers will forgive when it comes to accuracy/realism.</p>
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Disagree. They (and I mean the original ones) weren't made for kids. They were made for the kid within adults. The classic good v bad, nobody that becomes a hero, that drew on classic stories we all associated with. <br />Yes, they connected better with teens and young adults that were happy to suspend disbelief for a rollicking story but not what I'd call aimed at kids. <br />I was 13 when SW came out and thought it was very cool. I am sure I was around the younger level of who was getting excited about it. <br />The coolest thing about SW for everyone back in the late 70s was the opening shot. We hadn't seen anything like that ever before and from that moment on I didn't care about plot flaws I just went for the ride.
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000279/?ref_=tt_trv_qu'><span>Doug</span></a>: [<span>wearing a T-shirt that says "Genius at Work"</span>] Hi. A question for Miss Bellamy. In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0534134/?ref_=tt_trv_qu'><span>June Bellamy</span></a>: Uh, well...</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144657/?ref_=tt_trv_qu'><span>Homer</span></a>: I'll field this one.</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144657/?ref_=tt_trv_qu'><span>Homer</span></a>: [<span>to Doug</span>] Let me ask you a question. Why would a man whose shirt says "Genius at Work" spend all of his time watching a children's cartoon show?</p>
<p>[<span>pause</span>]</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000279/?ref_=tt_trv_qu'><span>Doug</span></a>: I withdraw my question.</p>
<p>[<span>takes a bite from a bar of chocolate</span>]</p>
