Should the Crusaders change their name?
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@canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@No-Quarter said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@Salacious-Crumb I agree. There's no doubt a name change would build resentment towards the Muslim community from some people. Like you I agree in a perfect world that wouldn't be the case, but in the real world there are plenty of people that hold their culture dear and do not want it altered, however minor it may seem. And that's not unique to the West - it happens in every country in the world.
I agree about the potential for resentment. If the Saders decide to adjust the peripheral things that is the more circumspect way to go. Sometimes name changes don't stick anyway. Shihad changed their name in the wake of 9/11, then they changed it back years later
Thanks for that... off to listen to Shihad for the rest of the day.
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@canefan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@No-Quarter said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@Salacious-Crumb I agree. There's no doubt a name change would build resentment towards the Muslim community from some people. Like you I agree in a perfect world that wouldn't be the case, but in the real world there are plenty of people that hold their culture dear and do not want it altered, however minor it may seem. And that's not unique to the West - it happens in every country in the world.
I agree about the potential for resentment. If the Saders decide to adjust the peripheral things that is the more circumspect way to go. Sometimes name changes don't stick anyway. Shihad changed their name in the wake of 9/11, then they changed it back years later
Pacifier was a pretty stupid name
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@Chris said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
[link text](link url)https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111701070/many-civilisations-were-culpable-during-the-middle-ages
Excellent article but don't hold your breath that the perpetually triggered will pay it any attention.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12218936
Tew said the current Crusaders name and branding is "no longer tenable". "We are asking Research First to look into two possible options moving forward - retaining the 'Crusaders' name but changing the branding and associated imagery; or undertaking a complete rebranding, including the name and all imagery.
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Maybe replace the horses with someone clapping two coconut shells together? I'm not fussed either way since I always think of them as Canterbury.
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@Sneakdefreak said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Maybe replace the horses with someone clapping two coconut shells together? I'm not fussed either way since I always think of them as Canterbury.
There's a sheep joke in there somewhere
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Ok. Fair enough. Those horses trigger (boom!) my lived experiences of the crusades back in the day. For those of you that weren't there, it really was brutal. 12 hour work days, no overtime, no lunch breaks, sketchy internet access, no women in managerial positions.
Everytime I see a horse now I'm transported back to muddy battlefields, clanging swords and dysentery, but I guess if you weren't there you don't know.
I'm glad a rebranding will help me and others to heal
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@Siam said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Ok. Fair enough. Those horses trigger (boom!) my lived experiences of the crusades back in the day. For those of you that weren't there, it really was brutal. 12 hour work days, no overtime, no lunch breaks, sketchy internet access, no women in managerial positions.
Everytime I see a horse now I'm transported back to muddy battlefields, clanging swords and dysentery, but I guess if you weren't there you don't know.
I'm glad a rebranding will help me and others to heal
So the name was perfectly fine for 20 plus years, but is now untenable because an Australian shot 100 odd people in a Mosque?That makes zero sense.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@Siam said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Ok. Fair enough. Those horses trigger (boom!) my lived experiences of the crusades back in the day. For those of you that weren't there, it really was brutal. 12 hour work days, no overtime, no lunch breaks, sketchy internet access, no women in managerial positions.
Everytime I see a horse now I'm transported back to muddy battlefields, clanging swords and dysentery, but I guess if you weren't there you don't know.
I'm glad a rebranding will help me and others to heal
So the name was perfectly fine for 20 plus years, but is now untenable because an Australian shot 100 odd people in a Mosque?That makes zero sense.
Precisely. What Tew says is state mandated appeasement, repeated little by little, week by week, across the surrendering West.
I just read the Australian headline triumphantly announcing "... Super Rugby team bows to pressure on religious symbolism in the wake of the NZ mosque attacks" and it disgusts me.
Tew's and the Crusaders' business had no part to play before, during or after the killings.
Symbolism? It's hard to beat the debate in New York whether a symbolic victory temple should occupy the first best or the third best retail exposure position adjacent to the rebuilt World Square in the most profound "Get it upya!" of the decade.
Discussion on disallowing it altogether was shut down, but you blokes will be getting used to more of that from government yourselves, eh?
The quiet colonisation is moving along nicely.
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@Crucial said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
I hope that a sensible outcome rather than a reactive one is found.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with rebranding by removing the imagery of killing from the brand but also think that keeping the name indicates that meanings change over time.As opposed to the positive and uplifting images of hurricanes and rebels no doubt
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@Siam said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@Crucial said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
I hope that a sensible outcome rather than a reactive one is found.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with rebranding by removing the imagery of killing from the brand but also think that keeping the name indicates that meanings change over time.As opposed to the positive and uplifting images of hurricanes and rebels no doubt
Not to mention the Warriors.
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@Crucial said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
I hope that a sensible outcome rather than a reactive one is found.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with rebranding by removing the imagery of killing from the brand but also think that keeping the name indicates that meanings change over time.I'd take the compromise at this point of losing the Knights, etc but keeping the name. It's pathetic that this is even a discussion.