BOP Eruption?
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Instead of arguing about political bullshit - how about acknowledging these guys - bloody heroes
New Zealand helicopter pilot describes horror of volcano rescue
‘The burns were horrific … A lot of the people could not talk,’ says Mark Law
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Interesting - about that helicopter out there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/e8v31d/request_how_much_force_needed_to_shift_the/
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Interesting when the boot is on the other foot aye? I know Stuart Nash says it's unfair to compare this situation to Pike River, but is it really? There is risk associated with a recovery mission but at least they can see whats in front of them. It's a bit harder to make broad sweeping statements about not leaving people behind when you have to wear your big boy pants
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@canefan quite a few "probably's" in his comments. I get that he thinks he can do it and it'll be sweet. But what if it isn't? who gets shit canned then? Him? whoever approved him taking the risk?
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@Paekakboyz said in BOP Eruption?:
@canefan quite a few "probably's" in his comments. I get that he thinks he can do it and it'll be sweet. But what if it isn't? who gets shit canned then? Him? whoever approved him taking the risk?
Just like the miners know all about mining.....
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@Snowy hope that is the case also. My earlier point was more that it sounded like he was confident he could do it, but threw out quite a few qualifiers which made me wonder if his risk tolerance may be higher than some/many of his peers.
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@Paekakboyz in the current H & S environment, there will be zero risks taken from here.
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Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Given the temperatures the past couple days surely they wouldn’t want to leave those bodies out there too long, a horrible job will become much worse.
Yep I really feel for Police, Contractors that have this job, I had to attend a number of ugly suicides in my time and its never pretty.
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
First priority is not to put yourself in danger. And can end up with more people to rescue.
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@Kirwan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
First priority is not to put yourself in danger. And can end up with more people to rescue.
All good and well but that's not actually desirable human nature. That also wouldn't accommodate Tangiwai or Wahine or London Bridge or Glasgow Airport or Dunkirk.
You're not wrong but a better answer lies in the notion of your basic right to risk your life for others, should you so wish. Humanity has a whole library of selfless bravery in stories that we reach to to find meaning.
It's how we define heroes.
The inverse is a government that foments fear and cost and commands people to stay indoors while the "adults decide what's best.
You want rescue or recover people, then you should be able to do that.
You don't want to save the foolhardy rescuers, then don't
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@Siam Well said sir
Edit: Just to add to that. If we don't allow people to risk their lives for something like this, then where the hell do we get off allowing people to drive 350km/hr in a motor racing event or allow them to jump off a cliff in a wing suit. It's absolutely absurd to me that we accept someone's basic right to hurt or potentially kill them selfelves , but only if it does NOT involve trying to save someone else.
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@Machpants said in BOP Eruption?:
Instead of arguing about political bullshit - how about acknowledging these guys - bloody heroes
New Zealand helicopter pilot describes horror of volcano rescue
‘The burns were horrific … A lot of the people could not talk,’ says Mark Law
You just made me read The Guardian. Bastard.
But agree entirely on your sentiment.
