BOP Eruption?
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@Snowy hope that is the case also. My earlier point was more that it sounded like he was confident he could do it, but threw out quite a few qualifiers which made me wonder if his risk tolerance may be higher than some/many of his peers.
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@Paekakboyz in the current H & S environment, there will be zero risks taken from here.
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Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Given the temperatures the past couple days surely they wouldn’t want to leave those bodies out there too long, a horrible job will become much worse.
Yep I really feel for Police, Contractors that have this job, I had to attend a number of ugly suicides in my time and its never pretty.
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
First priority is not to put yourself in danger. And can end up with more people to rescue.
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@Kirwan said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Interesting hearing one of the pilots on RNZ this afternoon, early on they got the call no responders were going to the island which is why these pilots did what they did. Sounds ridiculous they weren’t going to act, what’s the point of being a first responder if your not going to respond?
First priority is not to put yourself in danger. And can end up with more people to rescue.
All good and well but that's not actually desirable human nature. That also wouldn't accommodate Tangiwai or Wahine or London Bridge or Glasgow Airport or Dunkirk.
You're not wrong but a better answer lies in the notion of your basic right to risk your life for others, should you so wish. Humanity has a whole library of selfless bravery in stories that we reach to to find meaning.
It's how we define heroes.
The inverse is a government that foments fear and cost and commands people to stay indoors while the "adults decide what's best.
You want rescue or recover people, then you should be able to do that.
You don't want to save the foolhardy rescuers, then don't
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@Siam Well said sir
Edit: Just to add to that. If we don't allow people to risk their lives for something like this, then where the hell do we get off allowing people to drive 350km/hr in a motor racing event or allow them to jump off a cliff in a wing suit. It's absolutely absurd to me that we accept someone's basic right to hurt or potentially kill them selfelves , but only if it does NOT involve trying to save someone else.
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@Machpants said in BOP Eruption?:
Instead of arguing about political bullshit - how about acknowledging these guys - bloody heroes
New Zealand helicopter pilot describes horror of volcano rescue
‘The burns were horrific … A lot of the people could not talk,’ says Mark Law
You just made me read The Guardian. Bastard.
But agree entirely on your sentiment.
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Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
I would, as the authorities are, not perhaps as harshly.
I think you're conflating two issues. Whilst there are people alive I'm on board with the sentiment. There's not now.
To only recover bodies at the risk of losing more lives is not a risk worth taking. Recovering the bodies will not bring them back. And the risk is certainly not worth it for some minor emotional benefit.
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Baron's head will explode when he reads this one
https://stuff.co.nz/national/118108396/we-should-reinstate-every-mori-place-name
I was fine with the coverage so far, but this is the sort of agenda peddling drivel that crosses the line
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@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
I would, as the authorities are, not perhaps as harshly.
I think you're conflating two issues. Whilst there are people alive I'm on board with the sentiment. There's not now.
To only recover bodies at the risk of losing more lives is not a risk worth taking. Recovering the bodies will not bring them back. And the risk is certainly not worth it for some minor emotional benefit.
The pilots who were there on Monday want to go back, they say they can retrieve the bodies in 20 minutes they know exactly where each body is. Let them go.
Reading an article now on stuff ( I know I know)
Great quote by one of Tony Smith a St John medic who attempted a rescue straight after the eruption..‘Safety is never black and white, it’s always grey’
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@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
I would, as the authorities are, not perhaps as harshly.
I think you're conflating two issues. Whilst there are people alive I'm on board with the sentiment. There's not now.
To only recover bodies at the risk of losing more lives is not a risk worth taking. Recovering the bodies will not bring them back. And the risk is certainly not worth it for some minor emotional benefit.
The pilots who were there on Monday want to go back, they say they can retrieve the bodies in 20 minutes they know exactly where each body is. Let them go.
Reading an article now on stuff ( I know I know)
Great quote by one of Tony Smith a St John medic who attempted a rescue straight after the eruption..‘Safety is never black and white, it’s always grey’
and what happens if at that time during the twenty mins (which is rubbish as it's not like you're picking up a couple of sticks) that the volcano goes off again? This morning they say there is a 40-60% chance of another spit within 24 hours. Flag that for a chance.
They have hindsight already to go by. Why dismiss foresight with foolhardiness?
Are the burns the patients are dying from, heat burns or Acid? The ph level of the contents of the lake there could dissolve a body I think. Imagine being covered in that.
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@Hooroo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
@booboo said in BOP Eruption?:
@Virgil said in BOP Eruption?:
Yep can you imagine if Dunkirk took place now, it would be endless press conferences and risk assessments.. experts telling us they will only go in if they can manage the risks..
Back to White Island.. how the fuck can they manage the risk?... wait till it’s no longer an active volcano..
It must be very tempting for those chopper pilots to go rogue and head out to the island anyway
They're dead, they're not rescuing anyone.
Tell that to the families of the missing.. sorry they are dead it’s not important to get them back
Also I my point was from the very beginning, from what the pilots who landed on the island straight after the explosion said, no rescue services were going to actually rescue anyone. One pilot had to leave his co pilot behind so he could carry more injured, he was then told not to go back to get him.
I would, as the authorities are, not perhaps as harshly.
I think you're conflating two issues. Whilst there are people alive I'm on board with the sentiment. There's not now.
To only recover bodies at the risk of losing more lives is not a risk worth taking. Recovering the bodies will not bring them back. And the risk is certainly not worth it for some minor emotional benefit.
The pilots who were there on Monday want to go back, they say they can retrieve the bodies in 20 minutes they know exactly where each body is. Let them go.
Reading an article now on stuff ( I know I know)
Great quote by one of Tony Smith a St John medic who attempted a rescue straight after the eruption..‘Safety is never black and white, it’s always grey’
and what happens if at that time during the twenty mins (which is rubbish as it's not like you're picking up a couple of sticks) that the volcano goes off again? This morning they say there is a 40-60% chance of another spit within 24 hours. Flag that for a chance.
They have hindsight already to go by. Why dismiss foresight with foolhardiness?
Are the burns the patients are dying from, heat burns or Acid? The ph level of the contents of the lake there could dissolve a body I think. Imagine being covered in that.
I spoke to someone in the know and some of the worst injuries are inhalation based. Basically their lungs are burned up from the inside and that will never heal even if they survive. It means life will never be the same and probably a darn sight shorter now
