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<p>In our last year of high school, a mate of mine who lived nearby had a car and his license. When we finished school (or skipped sport for "study" due to being in final year), we'd stop off at the local general store, pick up a couple of boxes of .22 and then go shoot coke cans for the afternoon.</p>
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<p>The lady behind the counter wasn't about to say no to the money, and I'd make big noises about "picking up some rabbit control for Dad!"</p>
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<p>Yeah. About 400 rabbits every week ;)</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/74836735/us-college-president-tells-students-to-carry-guns-to-end-those-muslims'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/74836735/us-college-president-tells-students-to-carry-guns-to-end-those-muslims</a></p>
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<p>He is Jerry Falwells son , the shit has apparently not fallen far from the dog.</p>
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<p>One religious nut-bag inciting other religious nut-bags against yet another group of religious nut-bags.</p>
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<p><u><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/74993064/gun-rights-activists-to-hold-fake-mass-shooting-at-university-of-texas'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/74993064/gun-rights-activists-to-hold-fake-mass-shooting-at-university-of-texas</a></u></p>
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<p>Yet, at the University of Texas at Austin where some say prohibitions on carrying weapons endanger students, two guns rights groups are staging what one organiser called a "fake mass shooting" to bring attention to their cause this Saturday.</p>
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<p>I found this article on US police training quite interesting:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/police-shootings-laquan-mcdonald-mario-woods-knives-21-foot-rule'>http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/police-shootings-laquan-mcdonald-mario-woods-knives-21-foot-rule</a></p> -
<p>It shows a level of paranoia and, in a way, reinforces the lack of consequences facing police officers in these situations.</p>
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<p>21 feet is about 6 metres. Which isn't far when you're shitting yourself about getting stabbed, and therefore a pretty easy reaction in terms of pulling the trigger.</p>
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I have played around with the 21 foot rule (7 metres) during training and yeah, you have fuck all chance of drawing your weapon out of the holster and getting off accurate shots if an offender comes at you within that distance. <br><br>
It's all very well saying police should de-escalate the situation but sometimes you can't. Every day there are good outcomes in these sorts of scenarios that never make the news. The one in a thousand that ends badly makes the news. <br><br>
The offender is the one that sets the rules for any particular interaction with police. Brandish a knife or gun and the chances are you will find yourself dealing with a police officer that wants to go home alive at the end of the shift. <br><br>
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<p>I have played around with the 21 foot rule (7 metres) during training and yeah, you have fuck all chance of drawing your weapon out of the holster and getting off accurate shots if an offender comes at you within that distance.</p>
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<p>In a situation where you already have the weapon out, cocked, and pointed though you have a little more wiggle room, but you're still not taking the chance that someone throws that knife/machete etc.</p> -
Yeah you have more wiggle room for sure. If you have the chance to point a gun at someone holding a knife and start communicating often it will end well, but even then if you are within 7 metres you have no time to get the fuck out of there if it goes to shit. Unfortunately most interaction with these people seems to happen within 7 metres. If you can get further away the odds of hitting them if you have to fire greatly reduces - handguns are not all that accurate and most police are not expert shots.
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<p>Yeah you have more wiggle room for sure. If you have the chance to point a gun at someone holding a knife and start communicating often it will end well, but even then if you are within 7 metres you have no time to get the fuck out of there if it goes to shit. Unfortunately most interaction with these people seems to happen within 7 metres. If you can get further away the odds of hitting them if you have to fire greatly reduces -<strong> handguns are not all that accurate and </strong>most police are not expert shots.</p>
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<p>I watch movies, hand guns are accurate as!</p>
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I watch movies, hand guns are accurate as!<br><br>
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Yeah what does crazy horse know? In die hard three john MacLaine shot out a power line with a snub nosed pistol .</p></blockquote>
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<p>Yeah, a bit like that Mike Tyson quote "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".</p>
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<p>If "more guns is the answer" then this should help:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://blog.uspatriottactical.com/m249-goes-semi-auto-fnh-usas-new-m249s/'>http://blog.uspatriottactical.com/m249-goes-semi-auto-fnh-usas-new-m249s/</a></p>
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<p>In essence: the M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) that is the standard LMG for the US military, is now available in a semi-auto version for civilians.</p>
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<p>Obviously the difference is they've removed the option for full auto, and using a closed bolt as a result. But I'm sure some happy chappy will fuck around with that at the first opportunity so they can throw some lead downrange... or into a police station/school/military recruitment office.</p>
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<p>You can even get an 800-round backpack feed if you like!</p>
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Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?