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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Farage reminds me that your lot are also engaged in that wonderful practice of milkshaking. Kindly endorsed by a large corporation.
Your lot?
Unless you have split identities that wasn't directed at you.
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I think most Australian rugby fans were broadly supportive of RA, and still are. Certainly many opposed them too, but my read was that these people were in the minority.
This is now way larger, clearly, with plenty of people weighing in across the country and the World who have never seen a rugby match, nor understand the sporting context.
My only point would be to state that the donations don't mean Folau enjoys majority support in the community. It's a deeply divisive issue, and RA were probably rooted either way.
I could see a scenario where Israel keeps his contract, continues to post and alienates a fair chunk of fans. He becomes a distraction, loses personal sponsors, maybe is booed by fans. And then the critics would be at RA's throats for not taking action.
They were fucked either way.
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@barbarian I dunno. I think all they had to do was follow their own disciplinary process, rather than signal their outraged virtue via Twitter. Get all the facts, work out if he did break the code of conduct, consult with lawyers and then make a public statement. Might still have turned into a shitshow but at least they would have looked better than they do now.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Farage reminds me that your lot are also engaged in that wonderful practice of milkshaking. Kindly endorsed by a large corporation.
Your lot?
You have been assimilated.
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian I dunno. I think all they had to do was follow their own disciplinary process, rather than signal their outraged virtue via Twitter. Get all the facts, work out if he did break the code of conduct, consult with lawyers and then make a public statement. Might still have turned into a shitshow but at least they would have looked better than they do now.
I think it would have 100% turned into a shitshow whether they did that or not.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think most Australian rugby fans were broadly supportive of RA, and still are. Certainly many opposed them too, but my read was that these people were in the minority.
This is now way larger, clearly, with plenty of people weighing in across the country and the World who have never seen a rugby match, nor understand the sporting context.
My only point would be to state that the donations don't mean Folau enjoys majority support in the community. It's a deeply divisive issue, and RA were probably rooted either way.
I could see a scenario where Israel keeps his contract, continues to post and alienates a fair chunk of fans. He becomes a distraction, loses personal sponsors, maybe is booed by fans. And then the critics would be at RA's throats for not taking action.
They were fucked either way.
Totally agree, which is why they were absolutely nuts to re-sign him last year. With Qantas breathing down their neck and the media ready to pounce at the slightest hint of controversy, it just wasn't worth the risk.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Totally agree, which is why they were absolutely nuts to re-sign him last year. With Qantas breathing down their neck and the media ready to pounce at the slightest hint of controversy, it just wasn't worth the risk.
Funnily enough I was going to include a sentence which acknowledged your specific views on this matter!
It's certainly a fair point.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think most Australian rugby fans were broadly supportive of RA, and still are. Certainly many opposed them too, but my read was that these people were in the minority.
This is now way larger, clearly, with plenty of people weighing in across the country and the World who have never seen a rugby match, nor understand the sporting context.
My only point would be to state that the donations don't mean Folau enjoys majority support in the community. It's a deeply divisive issue, and RA were probably rooted either way.
I could see a scenario where Israel keeps his contract, continues to post and alienates a fair chunk of fans. He becomes a distraction, loses personal sponsors, maybe is booed by fans. And then the critics would be at RA's throats for not taking action.
They were fucked either way.
Totally agree, which is why they were absolutely nuts to re-sign him last year. With Qantas breathing down their neck and the media ready to pounce at the slightest hint of controversy, it just wasn't worth the risk.
Which proves they were fucked right from the start. Can you imagine the uproar if RA had refused to sign him due to concerns over his views?
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think most Australian rugby fans were broadly supportive of RA, and still are. Certainly many opposed them too, but my read was that these people were in the minority.
This is now way larger, clearly, with plenty of people weighing in across the country and the World who have never seen a rugby match, nor understand the sporting context.
My only point would be to state that the donations don't mean Folau enjoys majority support in the community. It's a deeply divisive issue, and RA were probably rooted either way.
I could see a scenario where Israel keeps his contract, continues to post and alienates a fair chunk of fans. He becomes a distraction, loses personal sponsors, maybe is booed by fans. And then the critics would be at RA's throats for not taking action.
They were fucked either way.
Totally agree, which is why they were absolutely nuts to re-sign him last year. With Qantas breathing down their neck and the media ready to pounce at the slightest hint of controversy, it just wasn't worth the risk.
Which proves they were fucked right from the start. Can you imagine the uproar if RA had refused to sign him due to concerns over his views?
True but then why not take it one year at a time? They didn't need to sign him for 4 years.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel that would have been the best approach on hindsight. Shorter period could have been seen out even if the posting was going on etc. I do wonder if he'd have taken an overseas gig if he's so devoted to his church?
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Closing in on 2 million.
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Could be an interesting poll result.
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@Rembrandt I just went through it ... summary
Should Folau be sacked? 54% Yes, 46% No
Should Folau self fund his legal case? 66% Yes, 34% No - this blew my mind ...
Did You Donate? 82% No, 11% Yes, 6% Donated elsewhere
Should Go Fund Me have been removed .. 54% Yes 46% No
Should Maria face sanction ... 77% No, 22% Yes - Disappointed in this one honestly
Do you worry about religous freedoms ... 35% Yes 30% No 33% Not Religous
Do you support gay rights .. 79% Yes -
@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage the lgbt groups I follow are pushing it hard at the moment, I imagine it'll cross over to the Christian groups soon, might get a good average in a few hours.
was almost 60,000 when I did it, so I wouldn't expect the results to change too much.
Depending on your reasons for following them (agree with, worried about) how do you think they will change questions 2 and 5?
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This is getting so weird.
Somehow the term 'religious freedom' is not being challenged at all.
I would guess that a vast majority of people are more than happy for people to have the right to choose a faith and not be discriminated against because of that choice.
ie: you can follow whatever faith you want and we won't let that affect your employability, your other human rights etc and nor will we tolerate others singling out your faith in a discriminatory way.What is different is when that right is extended to a licence to discriminate against others based on aspects that are not their choice ie race, disability, sexuality...
Religious freedom DOES NOT MEAN a carte blanch to behave like a dick. You are all free to think what you like but don't preach that shit into the public domain where it will affect others.
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I am surprised by those who think that the ARU having more support than Falou as win. It is a Pyrrhic victory. Congrats you only pissed off 40% of the country. *golf clap *
They were not rooted either way. There was an easy out. Just a bland condemnation and drop it. Done months ago.
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@MajorRage You're right, didn't notice the numbers done. It's at about 90k now and not a lot of difference. Disconcerting about the Turia result, hoping that would be a lot lower as that's a pretty extreme view. Followed the main pages for the yes and no campaigns for the same sex marriage referendum, was interesting times.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions