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<p>Apparently pledging your allegiance to ISIS and telling authorities that you are doing it in the name of ISIS is not enough for Obama to say it is act of Islamic terror.</p>
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<p>What a gutless prick he is.</p>
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<p>Worst news is that Trump will get a bump from all of this.</p>
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<p>Trump is all over this on Twitter.</p>
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<p style="font-size:26px;"><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!</span></strong></p>
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<p>Trump is all over this on Twitter.</p>
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<p style="font-size:26px;"><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!</span></strong></p>
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<p>"Appreciate the congrats......"</p>
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<p>What. A. Cock.</p>
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<p>The moment I heard this in the car early this morning I genuinely hoped it was the stereotypical disillusioned high school dropout loser, the moment I heard ISIS I knew Trump would be on this like white on rice.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="587200" data-time="1465759102"><p>Apparently ISIS are claiming responsibility....</p></blockquote>
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Follow<a class="bbc_url" href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1980294624/DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpg" alt="DJT_Headshot_V2_bigger.jpg"><strong>Donald J. Trump<span style="color:rgb(119,199,247);"><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-size:8px;">Verified account</span></span></span></strong>â€<span style="color:rgb(136,153,166);"><span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@</span>realDonaldTrump</span></a></p><span style="color:rgb(41,47,51);"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><br><span style="font-size:24px;"><br><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!</span></strong></span></span></span></blockquote>
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Perhaps I'm perpetuating stereotypes by offering the reason that he's less likely to get any aggressive resistance from a group of Gays ? I don't think he'd have as much success at a Redneck cookout......</p></blockquote>
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Probably. The target group is never usually a biker gang in Texas...<br><br>
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<p>I assume he was congratulating himself.</p>
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<p>No. It was some guy named Donald Baron?</p>
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Probably. The target group is never usually a biker gang in Texas...<br><br>
But when a guy walks into the local pub/club etc with a couple of automatic weapons, I don't think people are going to have a lot of options generally</p>
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The commentary on this has been a bit weird. You have a Muslim extremist who just massacred 50 people because they were gay. This is a guy who is on record as pledging allegiance to IS. Yet apparently the major issue here is gun control? Seriously?
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<p>The commentary on this has been a bit weird. You have a Muslim extremist who just massacred 50 people because they were gay. This is a guy who is on record as pledging allegiance to IS. Yet apparently the major issue here is gun control? Seriously?</p>
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<p>I think it is <strong>an</strong> issue, given this is the 18th time Obama has had to address the nation after a mass shooting. I haven't seen all the media about it so I couldn't say what is the <em>major</em> issue.</p>
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<p>Look at it this way:</p>
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<p>Guns are a physical thing. Regulation of guns - not all of them, just the super-duper-shooty ones - could help prevent such things. I think it could reduce the incidence, but I'm only going off the evidence of what is NOT the USA, and therefore that theory might have no validity.</p>
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<p>Islam is a religion/idea/philosophy - you can't really regulate it as a physical thing. Many agencies in the USA are involved in trying to stop shit like this happening, but they still happen.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rancid Schnitzel" data-cid="587263" data-time="1465773244"><p>The commentary on this has been a bit weird. You have a Muslim extremist who just massacred 50 people because they were gay. This is a guy who is on record as pledging allegiance to IS. Yet apparently the major issue here is gun control? Seriously?</p></blockquote>
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<p>The commentary on this has been a bit weird. You have a Muslim extremist who just massacred 50 people because they were gay. This is a guy who is on record as pledging allegiance to IS. Yet apparently the major issue here is gun control? Seriously?</p>
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<p>Someone please tell me what good reason you could have to justify owning an assault rifle</p> -
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<p>The commentary on this has been a bit weird. You have a Muslim extremist who just massacred 50 people because they were gay. This is a guy who is on record as pledging allegiance to IS. Yet apparently the major issue here is gun control? Seriously?</p>
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<p>Can we not have two pressing issues here?</p>
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<p>One that is infinitely more (easier) controllable than the other. i.e. reduce the gun availability and then deal with the issue of a nut job (who gives a fuck what <em>he </em>claims his reasons are).</p> -
<p>There are obviously two issues at play here. The root cause of this attack and many others around the world is Islam, as that is what the nut jobs are preaching as they gun innocent people down. The lack of gun control just meant it was easy as fuck to carry out on a mass scale - as NTA said it's so easy to get hold of a <span>super-duper-shooty gun that is designed for war, or a zombie apocalypse. But if this idiot didn't have a gun he'd probably just walk into the building with bombs strapped to his body and detonate. Trying to combat people that have no fear of death as they believe they are "going to a better place" is a scary prospect.</span></p>
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<p><span>The gun control bit is tangible and steps can be made to reduce their impact.</span></p>
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<p><span>But,</span></p>
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<p>Can we not have two pressing issues here?</p>
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<p>One that is infinitely more (easier) controllable than the other. i.e. reduce the gun availability and then deal with the issue of a nut job (who gives a fuck what <em>he </em>claims his reasons are).</p>
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<p>No just his ideology and motives. Nothing important really.</p>
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If the slaughter of Amish kids or kindy kids or college kids never changed a thing<br>
What hope will the slaughtered of 50 gays have?</p>
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<p>Well, as I alluded to before perhaps the fact the US finally hit the half century in one go ?</p>
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<p>Won't hold my breath though......</p>
Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?