Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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A few “tough” decisions ahead for Foster and co.
I reckon Scott Barrett, Akira, Sotutu come into the starting lineup.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
A few “tough” decisions ahead for Foster and co.
I reckon Scott Barrett, Akira, Sotutu come into the starting lineup.
So you liked the aimless locks in Puma #1 but you'd prefer more cards..
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Scott Barrett, Akira, Sotutu c
I actually thought SB played well, till he got tired and should have been subbed, but I can't bring myself to watch the game again to get another look.
I'd like to see Akira, Sotutu and a change in winger and coach
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Pakman 15:
Moody/Taylor/Laulala/Whitelock/Patty T (if 100%, otherwise Barrett (S))/Cane/Aoane/Sotutu/Smith/Mo'unga/ALB(12)/Goodhue/Clarke/Jordan (if 100%, otherwise Reece)/Barrett(B)
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Going to be a hot night. 28 degrees forecasted come kickoff.
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@akan004 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Going to be a hot night. 28 degrees forecasted come kickoff.
that's nuts. Crazy year to be playing footy this late
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
A few “tough” decisions ahead for Foster and co.
I reckon Scott Barrett, Akira, Sotutu come into the starting lineup.
The first name, it's possible coz it's Ian Foster picking the team
The second two, no chance, coz it's Ian Foster picking the team. -
Moody, Coles, Laulala, Whitelock, Vaa'i, A. Ioane, Cane, Sotutu, A. Smith, R. Mo'unga, C.Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, R. Ioane, B. Barrett
Taylor, Hodgman, Lomax, Tuipulotu, A. Savea, Weber, J. Barrett, Jordan
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@sparky I like your team. I don't think he'll select it though
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@nzzp It's setting the bar low I know, but I just hope the ABs look like they give a shit this week....
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@sparky said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Moody, Coles, Laulala, Whitelock, Vaa'i, A. Ioane, Cane, Sotutu, A. Smith, R. Mo'unga, C.Clarke, ALB, Goodhue, R. Ioane, B. Barrett
Taylor, Hodgman, Lomax, Tuipulotu, A. Savea, Weber, J. Barrett, Jordan
It’s the team I would pick aswell except I like to see laumape at 12 as I’m not convinced with goodhue as a 12
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@family-man said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
It’s the team I would pick aswell except I like to see laumape at 12 as I’m not convinced with goodhue as a 12
He's got Jack at 13, ALB at 12. Which is the right way around I reckon.
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Initial thinking:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulala
- Vaa'i
- Whitelock
- A Ioane
- Cane
- Sotutu
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Clarke
- ALB
- Goodhue
- R Ioane
- B Barrett
Haven't thought through the reserves yet, but S. Barrett and TJP aren't in them. Tuipulotu needs to bring some more physicality back to his game off the bench. For a big unit with a lot of potential, he sometimes plays under his weight at the top level.
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@Snowy well a pic I saw online had Goodhue standing outside ALB if you wanna read anything into that haha
Guess it depends how stubborn Foz is, given it looks like it is his preference to have JG at 12, but I think most fans saw last year ALB/12 with JG/13 was the better combo.
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Initial thinking:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulala
- Vaa'i
- Whitelock
- A Ioane
- Cane
- Sotutu
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Clarke
- ALB
- Goodhue
- R Ioane
- B Barrett
Haven't thought through the reserves yet, but S. Barrett and TJP aren't in them. Tuipulotu needs to bring some more physicality back to his game off the bench. For a big unit with a lot of potential, he sometimes plays under his weight at the top level.
Sometimes? The guy plays like a big softie in black. I thought he had turned the corner with his Blues performances and captaincy but he has faded again.
He is either fatigued or simply struggles to impose himself at this level. He has no leg drive at the moment -
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@sparky I like your team. I don't think he'll select it though
Me too.
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@pakman said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Patty T (if 100%, otherwise Barrett (S))
Yes he hasn't looked right
Which players the AB's put up for media sometimes gives a hint about selection. Yesterday it was Whitelock & Tuipulotu. I suspect there won't be a change at lock
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@Duluth said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Which players the AB's put up for media sometimes gives a hint about selection. Yesterday it was Whitelock & Tuipulotu. I suspect there won't be a change at lock
I hope they've watched a lot of scrum videos.
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@Crucial perhaps I was putting it mildly then
One thing is for sure, for the issues that there are with Cane's captaincy, he's not getting great support from his fellow official Super Rugby captains in the All Blacks:
Tuipolutu is sheer under-performing
S Barrett is a middling international performer, and is starting to make a habit of getting sent off (and losing) against Australia for dumb plays.
TJP could spend more time clearing the ball quickly, and less time; telegraphing his intentions, shouting at the ref & opposition players, and snarking at fans who aren't cheerleaders enough for him on Facebook.
Coles is becoming "aggressive" at silly stuff, and isn't stepping up the way his seniority suggests he can. He seems to show up on the wing more than Taylor does.
Aaron Smith is about the only one stepping up his game.
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Crucial perhaps I was putting it mildly then
One thing is for sure, for the issues that there are with Cane's captaincy, he's not getting great support from his fellow official Super Rugby captains in the All Blacks:
Tuipolutu is sheer under-performing
S Barrett is a middling international performer, and is starting to make a habit of getting sent off (and losing) against Australia for dumb plays.
TJP could spend more time clearing the ball quickly, and less time; telegraphing his intentions, shouting at the ref & opposition players, and snarking at fans who aren't cheerleaders enough for him on Facebook.
Coles is becoming "aggressive" at silly stuff, and isn't stepping up the way his seniority suggests he can. He seems to show up on the wing more than Taylor does.
Aaron Smith is about the only one stepping up his game.
Whitelock also doing well. He's Crusaders Captain?
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@Donsteppa Yeah. The on field leadership group hasn't been exactly "follow me" in their performance. Cane does need some help (although having a go at fans doesn't endear him as a leader - fans are going to say something when you play like shit and lose). We do pay the wages...He'll learn. Thought Foster was good covering for him.
Can't help but wonder if they are just completely underwhelmed by the off field leadership and performance ends up on the field.
@Hooroo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Whitelock also doing well. He's Crusaders Captain?
Barrett this year.
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@Hooroo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Crucial perhaps I was putting it mildly then
One thing is for sure, for the issues that there are with Cane's captaincy, he's not getting great support from his fellow official Super Rugby captains in the All Blacks:
Tuipolutu is sheer under-performing
S Barrett is a middling international performer, and is starting to make a habit of getting sent off (and losing) against Australia for dumb plays.
TJP could spend more time clearing the ball quickly, and less time; telegraphing his intentions, shouting at the ref & opposition players, and snarking at fans who aren't cheerleaders enough for him on Facebook.
Coles is becoming "aggressive" at silly stuff, and isn't stepping up the way his seniority suggests he can. He seems to show up on the wing more than Taylor does.
Aaron Smith is about the only one stepping up his game.
Whitelock also doing well. He's Crusaders Captain?
I was conveniently using the official captaincy list, but even then:
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I had no idea. I was certain he was captain.
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@pakman said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Pakman 15:
Moody/Taylor/Laulala/Whitelock/Patty T (if 100%, otherwise Barrett (S))/Cane/Aoane/Sotutu/Smith/Mo'unga/ALB(12)/Goodhue/Clarke/Jordan (if 100%, otherwise Reece)/Barrett(B)
That's my team, except Patty T. goes to the bench and Scott Barrett starts.
Time to see what Ioane, Sotutu and Jordan can bring.
To be honest, I'm not particularly bothered if we don't win the Tri-Nations, because it will be a bit of a limp victory, regardless - so, in my mind this test should be much more about looking to the future.
I daresay Fozzie will be much more desperate to collect the silverware, but so far his selection strategy (which I might even have followed myself) has dug him into a hole, so let's see if he's willing to be bold.
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@Hooroo said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I had no idea. I was certain he was captain.
Sam was supposed to be in Japan. Covid stuffed it up and he ended up back here.
So Barrett until injury, then Taylor.
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@Snowy said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa Yeah. The on field leadership group hasn't been exactly "follow me" in their performance. Cane does need some help (although having a go at fans doesn't endear him as a leader - fans are going to say something when you play like shit and lose). We do pay the wages...He'll learn. Thought Foster was good covering for him.
Yep, Cane forgot one thing. We can't see what's going on behind the scenes. But we can see the scoreboard.
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What's Romano up to these days? Seems to me your scrum could use a bit more beef.
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@NTA said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
What's Romano up to these days? Seems to me your scrum could use a bit more beef.
He's probably checking out retirement villas in his Nelson home town!
Discarded by the ABs too early, I think. He's been like a pig in shit in the latter part of the NPC. Handed Quinten Strange (who would have been with the ABs) an absolute lesson when the Mako played Canterbury.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@NTA said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
What's Romano up to these days? Seems to me your scrum could use a bit more beef.
He's probably checking out retirement villas in his Nelson home town!
Discarded by the ABs too early, I think. He's been like a pig in shit in the latter part of the NPC. Handed Quinten Strange (who would have been with the ABs) an absolute lesson when the Mako played Canterbury.
I saw this before. He's good at Mitre10, but a bit slow to be playing Internationals. Good, but limited player - I think made to look even better by the quality that's been around him during his career.
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@nzzp Now might be a bit too late for Luke, but I think he could have played a sort of Brad Thorn power role.
We didn't often lose when he did play.
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Initial thinking:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulala
- Vaa'i
- Whitelock
- A Ioane
- Cane
- Sotutu
- Smith
- Mo'unga
- Clarke
- ALB
- Goodhue
- R Ioane
- B Barrett
Haven't thought through the reserves yet, but S. Barrett and TJP aren't in them. Tuipulotu needs to bring some more physicality back to his game off the bench. For a big unit with a lot of potential, he sometimes plays under his weight at the top level.
that's the side i would pick as well
Zero chance that Savea, J Barrett, S Barrett, and probably Frizzle Fry aren't in the starting XV though
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp Now might be a bit too late for Luke, but I think he could have played a sort of Brad Thorn power role.
We didn't often lose when he did play.
ah yes, the mythical Romano power. He showed less physicality than Patty T is doing now when he was in his prime FFS. Now that he's 40 years old i doubt it's suddenly got better.
Why the fuck can we not produce locks in this country?
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Why the fuck can we not produce locks in this country
cos you live in Aus
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Why the fuck can we not produce locks in this country
cos you live in Aus
fuck up smart ass!
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nzzp Now might be a bit too late for Luke, but I think he could have played a sort of Brad Thorn power role.
We didn't often lose when he did play.
ah yes, the mythical Romano power. He showed less physicality than Patty T is doing now when he was in his prime FFS. Now that he's 40 years old i doubt it's suddenly got better.
Why the fuck can we not produce locks in this country?
I think we can, we can produce two, we just struggle with the 3rd one.
The Romano hype is interesting, he's carving up the NPC, but then again so is Tom Parsons and he can't even get Super spot.
@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
We didn't often lose when he did play.
That is probably more of a reflection of the era he played in than evidence of his superstardom.
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@Nepia "Hype" is probably a reasonably strong term for "Discarded too early, I think".
Luke was only 31 going on 32 when he played his last test.
Was he injured in 2018 for the France series? Otherwise looks like he was discarded for Fifita and Hemopo.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia "Hype" is probably a reasonably strong term for "Discarded too early, I think".
Luke was only 31 going on 32 when he played his last test.
Was he injured in 2018 for the France series? Otherwise looks like he was discarded for Fifita and Hemopo.
I'm talking about this years hype.
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When McCaw’s leadership came under the spotlight in 2007 there wasn’t much talk about “not getting support on field from others”. And that’s despite the fact there were leaders in that group like Rodders, Mils, Woodcock, Oliver, Rangi, Kelleher.
Let’s say a Whitelock, Beaudie or Tuipoluto got all rah rah out on the field after an Oz or Argies try, that’s not a great look either. I think there is a bit of leadership going on from a few different players. We simply haven’t played well despite that.
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@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia "Hype" is probably a reasonably strong term for "Discarded too early, I think".
Luke was only 31 going on 32 when he played his last test.
Was he injured in 2018 for the France series? Otherwise looks like he was discarded for Fifita and Hemopo.
I'm talking about this years hype.
It's a sad period for NZ Rugby when people even joke about Luke Romano and "Hype"
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Feel that the ABs need to play Laumape just to find out what they’ve got in a do or die game. His contract is up next year as I recall and at 27 years of age everyone involved needs to know what’s on the table.
Argentina defence is begging for someone to straighten instead of Petaia’s constant drifting. Maybe play him wide with Akira against the weaker defenders and let the wingers run some inside lines.
