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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
Looks like we've hit peak Brexit Derangement Syndrome.....
"Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit
Green MP urges 10 top female politicians to form cabinet of national unity to deliver fresh referendum"
What time of the month do they propose this to happen?
I wish I could like this twice! 🤣
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit:
Looks like we've hit peak Brexit Derangement Syndrome.....
"Caroline Lucas calls for emergency female cabinet to block no-deal Brexit
Green MP urges 10 top female politicians to form cabinet of national unity to deliver fresh referendum"
Tell me you made this up,
Please .
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Common sense prevails.
Caroline Lucas apologises for suggesting emergency email cabinet to block Brexit - all her suggested female choices were white apparently.
Caroline Lucas apologises for only asking white women to join anti-Brexit cabinet
The co-leader of the Green Party says she should have "reached out further and thought more deeply" about representation.
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@Victor-Meldrew Just when you think someone can’t get any dumber.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@Victor-Meldrew Just when you think someone can’t get any dumber.
I’ve learned over the years to not assume when it comes to politicians that they can’t behave any worse , dumber or more amoral .
Take for example our government, four kids sexually assaulted on a labour camp last year should have been a wake up call but there’s someone working in the pms office who sexually assaulted a couple of staff and their response it to tell women to avoid certain areas of the offices .
I’m sure this green mp is capable of sinking lower in ways you never dreamed of.
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@Victor-Meldrew so she obviously didn’t think to ask Diane Abbott then. At least she has some sense.
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I wonder where this leaves those anti-Brexit middle class socialists who are apparently fighting for the working class?
"Particularly on the Left, political thought is a sort of masturbation fantasy in which the world of facts hardly matters."
George Orwell
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
I wonder where this leaves those anti-Brexit middle class socialists who are apparently fighting for the working class?
Why would they want them to get better wages. They might - shock horror - be able to afford to live near them and even - shock horror - have their kids at the same schools. Social mobility is something you fight for don't you know, not something you actually want to happen.
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I'm currently reading "The Road to Wigan Pier" and Orwell nailed it 70+ years ago:
"(They display).... an attitude of sniggering superiority punctuated by bursts of vicious hatred. Look at any number of Punch magazines during the past thirty years. You will find it everywhere taken for granted that a working-class person, as such, is a figure of fun, except at odd moments when he shows signs of being too prosperous (or votes the wrong way?-ed), whereupon he ceases to be a figure of fun and becomes a demon"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
You do get this sense that majorities are a bit irrelevant to BoJo.
He's probably going to steam ahead with a No Deal and if the HoC block it, may well call an election and campaign on the basis of Remainer MP's voting down every attempt to leave the EU (deal or no deal) and subverting the result of a democratic referendum.
Might just fly
Quite likely an accurate summation, but will he get back in with a workable majority? If he doesn’t that could be all the excuse that remainders need to suggest a change of heart in the electorate. Calls for a bloody peoples vote again. This farce has still got legs IMO.
And both Lib Dem and Green leaders have this week said they will do what ever they can to block Brexit if Leave win a second vote.....
BoJo is a calculating politician. I'd bet he has a clear strategy set out to maximise his chances of a working majority. A "vote for me to end this farce" approach is possible.
I'm fairly confident that a revote would see a landslide victory for Leave.
I don't know of anybody that has switched from Leave to Remain. But I know plenty the other way as they are so bloody sick of it.
I think if the EU wanted the UK to stay, they would have opened the negotiating table around freedom of movement. But that was never going to happen, and now they are enjoying (what they see as) the UK imploding.
I'm a bit worried about things honestly, but I'm still fairly sure that it's only short term pain. I strongly believe that the EU will implode without the UK.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I strongly believe that the EU will implode without the UK.
I try to stay out of these the politics threads, but that is an interesting comment.
Do you think that there will be Fraxits, Gerxits, Itaxits, Spanxits, etc? Will the other big players also want to leave?
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
You do get this sense that majorities are a bit irrelevant to BoJo.
He's probably going to steam ahead with a No Deal and if the HoC block it, may well call an election and campaign on the basis of Remainer MP's voting down every attempt to leave the EU (deal or no deal) and subverting the result of a democratic referendum.
Might just fly
Quite likely an accurate summation, but will he get back in with a workable majority? If he doesn’t that could be all the excuse that remainders need to suggest a change of heart in the electorate. Calls for a bloody peoples vote again. This farce has still got legs IMO.
And both Lib Dem and Green leaders have this week said they will do what ever they can to block Brexit if Leave win a second vote.....
BoJo is a calculating politician. I'd bet he has a clear strategy set out to maximise his chances of a working majority. A "vote for me to end this farce" approach is possible.
I'm fairly confident that a revote would see a landslide victory for Leave.
I don't know of anybody that has switched from Leave to Remain. But I know plenty the other way as they are so bloody sick of it.
I think if the EU wanted the UK to stay, they would have opened the negotiating table around freedom of movement. But that was never going to happen, and now they are enjoying (what they see as) the UK imploding.
I'm a bit worried about things honestly, but I'm still fairly sure that it's only short term pain. I strongly believe that the EU will implode without the UK.
I think that leave has become the side of the 'anti politician' . Fair or not.
People in general blame the politicians for not getting anything actually happening. And the Brexit campaigners have done a great job as framing parliament as a Remainer establishment.
At its most simple, people blame politicians for the shambles, and most politicians are remainers .. therefore... -
@Snowy said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I strongly believe that the EU will implode without the UK.
I try to stay out of these the politics threads, but that is an interesting comment.
Do you think that there will be Fraxits, Gerxits, Itaxits, Spanxits, etc? Will the other big players also want to leave?
This is my view only, although it's primarily based on discussions with a few people (one being the CEO of where I work which is a 2000 employee financial institution), is that EU needs both UK and Germany to work properly. Not just for the money, but for what they offer from a business mindset. Both are big and for a lack of a better word arrogant, but go about their business in a completely different way. Having both mindsets in a union works well.
Thus, without the UK, Germany will become too much of a player and there is a genuine fear they will try to grasp too much control.
I also think that if the UK is treated too badly by the EU, it will reflect very poorly on them and will cause a lot of friction within.
I think that leave has become the side of the 'anti politician' . Fair or not.
People in general blame the politicians for not getting anything actually happening. And the Brexit campaigners have done a great job as framing parliament as a Remainer establishment.
At its most simple, people blame politicians for the shambles, and most politicians are remainers .. therefore...I agree with you. I think everybody blames the politicians. However, for me not just the UK ones. This whole debacle should have been avoided when Cameron told them the country had a problem with free movement.
Having said that I am a remainer at heart and have no qualms about it - it's better for my situation to remain, thus that's what I voted for (well 0.5 vote). But I just want resolution now. If we have to leave with no-deal then so be it.
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@Snowy said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I strongly believe that the EU will implode without the UK.
I try to stay out of these the politics threads, but that is an interesting comment.
Do you think that there will be Fraxits, Gerxits, Itaxits, Spanxits, etc? Will the other big players also want to leave?
I realised I never actually answered your question. And the answer is no. Purely because the governments won't ask the question. All candidates that want to ask the question are (rightly or wrongly) framed as far-right or right-wing.
I think the EU is adamant that seeing the UK suffer is the best solution to keeping it all together. And I think they couldn't be more wrong.
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Some very interesting insights there MR. Thanks.
From so far away (in SA) the UK leaving the EU just seems completely economically daft to me.
But clearly both from what I see in the media (and it depends of course what you watch and read!) and from your insights shared here, I have a very simplistic view of the issues at play.I fully understand your sentiment - I'm sure shared by most in the UK - that resolution one way or another can't come soon enough.
My question is, assuming a no-deal crash-out for the UK, do you foresee a worsening of relations between the UK and the Continent in the short term? i.e. restrictive travel / border controls, tit-for-tat tariffs etc? And if so, how long before the situation calms down again? It strikes me that tensions could run quite high in case of a no-deal?
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