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It's that moment in a new term of government when one side suddenly goes from shouting the HLFS figures as gospel from the roof tops, to remembering that there may be some 'quirks in the quarterly survey results'. And suddenly vice versa for the other side...
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@MajorRage said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@MajorRage said in NZ Politics:
@Rembrandt said in NZ Politics:
Committing crime, as I currently understand in NZ, is actually already illegal...so if Maori are still doing it despite the law well what other options do they have to reduce Maori population in prison? Maybe increasing jail time for non-Maori or will they look toward a system where only pakeha have to do time for crimes because they all apparently have 'privilege and power' kinda like how only white people can be racist.
How is this reality? How on earth can kiwis be pissed about Trump when we have this level of dangerous retard running our country.
I think you are reading this wrong. When a country is 15% of one ethnicity and it's prisons are 51% of the same ethnicity, I think thats a perfectly valid thing for the government to look to try to rectify.
I didn't see anything in the comments to suggest they are going to use methods which will endanger the general population though, like shorter prison terms by race etc.
Isn’t that implied though? Little is on the record as wanting shorter prison sentences. That may endanger the general population. And if he doesn’t target the shorter terms by race and the sentences drop proportionately across the board you will still have the representational imbalance between ethnic groups that you do now.
Can’t disagree more. The fact it’s commented on that it takes more time than a year supports my thoughts. It suggests to me they are looking st the reasons why, and how to rectify that. I’m no Labour fan at all, but this seems like a worthwhile exercise.
Rectify what exactly? They've decided that the prison population has to decline. If they've done analysis that suggests that there are large numbers of prisoners for whom the punishment is disproportionate to the crime then they should say that. They should tell the public what these crimes are, why they shouldn't have custodial sentences attached to them and how many people have been wrongly sentenced. They should tell the public whether that appears to be because the penalties under the various Acts are wrong and what they intend to do to amend those Acts. They should tell the public if they think the sentencing guidelines are wrong and publicly instruct the judges involved to sentence differently. They should tell the public where they think judges have acted inappropriately to give defendants harsher penalties than the politicians think are warranted. Then they should let the public decide at the ballot box whether they agree.
But they aren't doing that, they're not going anywhere near the detail. Instead they're keeping everything high-level and impersonal, and I have a problem with that because for most crimes that people get custodial sentences for crime is very personal indeed. If someone harms me or mine I frankly don't give a toss about the prisoner numbers, I care about what happens to this prisoner who did something to me. Andrew Little can depersonalise that all he wants but he's pushing shit up hill if he thinks victims want to take one for Team NZ.
A better analysis might be to look at how many of the prisoners are gang members or affiliates. I’m betting it’s quite a few. And they aren’t social clubs, they’re criminal organisations whose members commit crimes, get caught and go to prison. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that there is a correlation.
Yes, agree. Why do you think they aren’t doing that?
Because they self evidently aren't. From last year "Extra prisoners are nearly all gang members - that's hardly a crisis":
I see Mob members every day. I don't give a damn if they get themselves locked up.
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@JC I have no idea why you replied to me with that rant. It has nothing to do with my original point.
If the government taking time to look at the reasons why such a large proportionate amount of one race are in prison annoys you so much, then let’s just agree to disagree. Even though I’m sure we actually don’t.
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@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
It's that moment in a new term of government when one side suddenly goes from shouting the HLFS figures as gospel from the roof tops, to remembering that there may be some 'quirks in the quarterly survey results'. And suddenly vice versa for the other side...
And so the usual socialist economic carnage begins .
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Another Labour minister being a SJW carnt
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201789
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Another Labour minister being a SJW carnt
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12201789
It not like this useless fluffybunny has an actual ministerial portfolio to focus on . One that he’s failing on a massive scale with .
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I rarely use Nappy changing facilities anyway, they generally stick. I just use the pram with a changing mat.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
I rarely use Nappy changing facilities anyway, they generally stick. I just use the pram with a changing mat.
Pretty much everywhere these days has a parent room or a disabled toilet (which usually has nappy changing facilities in it). Ten years ago, I had no problems finding them for my kids.
He's complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
I rarely use Nappy changing facilities anyway, they generally stick. I just use the pram with a changing mat.
Pretty much everywhere these days has a parent room or a disabled toilet (which usually has nappy changing facilities in it). Ten years ago, I had no problems finding them for my kids.
He's complaining about a problem that doesn't exist.
He’s virtue signaling.
Mind you if given the choice of being elbow deep in karitane yellow or being at the office surrounded by one the biggest policy failure of this “ government “ it’d be diarrhoea all the way .
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
I rarely use Nappy changing facilities anyway, they generally stick. I just use the pram with a changing mat.
Or the back of the car, plenty of places to change your kids nappy if it needs to be done.
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@jegga Why have one working group when you can have nine fucking working groups and spend a fuckton more money on consultants while achieving no concrete changes whatsoever? Maybe they'll get another report this November which advises the nine groups to become 18 because they really need more info.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Why have one working group when you can have nine fucking working groups and spend a fuckton more money on consultants while achieving no concrete changes whatsoever? Maybe they'll get another report this November which advises the nine groups to become 18 because they really need more info.
It's probably less money that they'd waste actually implementing stuff and if the Nats can get their shit together and win it will mean less dismantling of bad policy. Having said that, in the past Labour often put stuff in place that the Nats could then tweak. Not this time
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga Why have one working group when you can have nine fucking working groups and spend a fuckton more money on consultants while achieving no concrete changes whatsoever? Maybe they'll get another report this November which advises the nine groups to become 18 because they really need more info.
It's probably less money that they'd waste actually implementing stuff and if the Nats can get their shit together and win it will mean less dismantling of bad policy. Having said that, in the past Labour often put stuff in place that the Nats could then tweak. Not this time
Yeah national adopted Wff , KiwiSaver and the Cullen fund when they got elected. This shower of shit makes Clark era labour look better every day I don’t see any of the forward thinking stuff Clark bought in coming out of these people.
They are on board with Cullens addiction to tax though .
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What a fool this guy is not dealing drugs and using a false passport
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12202369
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jegga I would really, REALLY love to know why these seemingly good people get treated like shit, the ones with viable businesses and community input, and that drug dealing fraud gets the golden ticket.
It’s worth reading what Labours shill blog said about him again
The best thing about this is every time a worthwhile person gets told to leave by immigration the Czech scumbags name is going to come up again to haunt Ardern .
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@jegga through accident or (inept) design they keep backing the wrong horse in the right race, and are blind to backing down and admitting fault. We've seen several instances where NZ'ers would support special cases for people who don't quite meet the tick boxes to stay, yet they are staying the course on a guy who is dubious in the extreme (aka a piece of shit with minimal potential for redemption).
Aside from the 'fearing for his life' back home situation I'm looking for us to make exceptions for people clearly adding something to NZ. With a caveat around billionaires buying their citizenship to build their zombie apocalypse bunkers! We should take their money then send them a copy of Bad Taste and a chainsaw named Derek.
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Labour really are quite out of touch with reality arent they?
I bet they would be tearing shreds off National if the Schrobeck thing and now these other 2 high profile immigration issues were on thier watch, why isnt National making more of a big deal about them?
Is a prime opportunity to show thier immigration ideals are fucked, some reporter really needs to get Winny to comment on these, the Shhrobeck issue will be doing his head in.
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