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I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
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Speaking of closed down sites or suppressed content . A couple of subreddits have been shut down, partially due to the video/live stream of the shooting and the associated commentary. I think they've flirted with shutting them down historically around other terrorist footage, but this seems to have been the final straw. Not 100% sure if it's to protect Reddit from being seen as linked to 4 or 8chan, or the owners protecting their rep/income. The big news subreddit closure was watchpeopledie which had all sorts of stuff, accidents and the like alongside shootings and other nasty stuff. Grim stuff but not all about war or terrorism etc.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
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@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
I did not read it. I went by what canefan said.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
I did not read it. I went by what canefan said.
I only caught it mentioned during the news report on tv, I went into the article to confirm it.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil Ahhhhhhh that is interesting. Hopefully he was denied bail to protect us from him copycatting. I hope so
I think that was the case. I gather they discovered his “target acquired” photo of the main attacked mosque (which he allegedly posted on social media a week before the massacre) and perhaps he was a little to enthusiastic/pre-prepared to share the video, perhaps looking like he had prior knowledge...
It’ll come out in the end, but I’m happy he’s behind bars until the next court appearance and it’s all worked through.
I saw somewhere today that Facebook has deleted or blocked the video from being uploaded 1,500,000 times so far, so on the face of it there’s something more to this one.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil Ahhhhhhh that is interesting. Hopefully he was denied bail to protect us from him copycatting. I hope so
I think that was the case. I gather they discovered his “target acquired” photo of the main attacked mosque (which he allegedly posted on social media a week before the massacre) and perhaps he was a little to enthusiastic/pre-prepared to share the video, perhaps looking like he had prior knowledge...
It’ll come out in the end, but I’m happy he’s behind bars until the next court appearance and it’s all worked through.
If that is the case I'd happily stand corrected on the refusal of bail until it is investigated.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
I wanted to make that point but making and eating dinner got in the way 👍
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.
I agree. Bail should have definitely been granted. If convicted he will probably not get a custodial sentence so denying bail seems extreme, borderline petulant on the part of the police and honourable judge.
I should point out that sharing the video was only one component of the crime. He also posted a message in support of the killer.
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@Damo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Where does it say he posted "target acquired" BEFORE the attack? I haven't read that.
The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message "Target Acquired" and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.
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@Damo said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Where does it say he posted "target acquired" BEFORE the attack? I haven't read that.
The article says between the 8th and the 15th so might not be before but considering the limelight worth following up with.
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@Donsteppa Thanks. That piece of info was not in the herald article I read.
I may be wrong about bail.
I'd like to see a link between he and the killer before I would think prison time is appropriate. Dumb 18 year olds make stupid posts for no real reason sometimes. Might be referring to something completely unrelated.
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213752
Looks like he's going to try and follow the lead of that Norwegian nutter. Should have a closed trial
Anybody that represents himself has an idiot for a client is the quote here I think.
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Also pertinent:
Most details of bail hearings are suppressed under the Bail Act, though the outcome is allowed to be reported. Judge O'Driscoll made orders that banned publication of details from the police summary of facts and the document and submissions in which the police opposed the man's release on bail.
Usuall the claim is that judges are too soft on bail.
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@Catogrande said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213752
Looks like he's going to try and follow the lead of that Norwegian nutter. Should have a closed trial
Anybody that represents himself has an idiot for a client is the quote here I think.
Makes no difference in this case. I think it is a good thing. Imagine being a QC and having to defend this fucker. Remember the crap that Ablett Kerr got after defending Clayton weatherstone (totally unfairly). Any QC on this case would likely get death threats and be reviled forever.
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@Donsteppa eyes of the world looking our direction...
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
Also pertinent:
Most details of bail hearings are suppressed under the Bail Act, though the outcome is allowed to be reported. Judge O'Driscoll made orders that banned publication of details from the police summary of facts and the document and submissions in which the police opposed the man's release on bail.
Usuall the claim is that judges are too soft on bail.
Here in Aust they just disclosed on the news why his Bail was refused and I can see why it was. There is more to the story than what is being reported in NZ.
Christchurch Gunman in Mosque