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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.
Not just vile. People being shot to death in real time. I doubt he'll get anything other than a fraction of the potential punishment. But a message should be sent
No. Justice should be done.
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I actually thought this zerohedge article that flicked by my feed yesterday was most like BS. But now seeing this charge clearly its true, if you can't read it you are probably in NZ where certain ISP's have now banned the domain.
The commenting app Dissenter has also been banned in NZ.
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
The app is very much the wild west but it is not what our mainstream media will have you believe. Time to invest in a VPN I think.
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@Rembrandt How is the app banned? It's the internet.
@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.
Not just vile. People being shot to death in real time. I doubt he'll get anything other than a fraction of the potential punishment. But a message should be sent
A message sure. But there should be immense prospect for rehabilitation, reflection and personal growth as a result of the age of the defendant. As difficult as it is for some people, everyone needs to take a step back and a deep breath. The very idea that he could be sent to gaol for 14 years as a result of sharing the video is obscene. You get less for killing people.
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I guess he will be a guinea pig of sorts, gievn I cant recall people sharing that sort of video in NZ before?
Follow due process, for which I expect he wil get a bit of community service.
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@taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I guess he will be a guinea pig of sorts, gievn I cant recall people sharing that sort of video in NZ before?
ISIS videos were widely shared
Not sure if anyone in NZ was prosecuted for sharing objectionable content in those instances
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@antipodean I believe dissenter.com domain is banned.
It's just so ridiculous. You had the synagogue shooting a couple months back and because that terrorist had a Gab account Gab was basically removed from the internet. Never mind the bloke also had a twitter and facebook account. This current terrorist most definitely had a facebook account, surely the same logic should apply..unless of course there is something else going on.
Yes the video is vile, I've personally only watched about 20 seconds of it to confirm it was authentic but following peoples reports on this thread and other commentators I trust I know it isn't something I could handle. BUT it is real, it happened. What makes it different from video of kids dying from chemical attacks in syria, or the twin tower attacks, the last Melbourne terrorist attack or thousands of other similar videos floating around the internet many attached to mainstream news outlets which are prioritised on youtube searches? Is it because these outlets are getting their cut of the money so that makes certain gore ok if 'good' people are profiting off of peoples fascination with the macarbre?
I'm definitely not saying outlets should be pushing it out there but I definitely don't see how rounding up a hate-mob and potentially ruining a kids life is going to do any good for society
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@Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I actually thought this zerohedge article that flicked by my feed yesterday was most like BS. But now seeing this charge clearly its true, if you can't read it you are probably in NZ where certain ISP's have now banned the domain.
Apparently the site blocking is mostly on mobile providers
Some people have reported kiwifarms and the chans being down. They were ok for me when I tested. Zerohedge was blocked on a couple of mobile providers but not on my home networks ISP
Skimming through the stories I'm not sure why zerohedge was partially blocked. There was nothing unusual in the NZ stories.. maybe there was something bad in the comments under articles?
(the site is just a boomer right wing news site a bit like Breitbart)Whatever blocking they are doing seems half arsed
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@canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.
Not just vile. People being shot to death in real time. I doubt he'll get anything other than a fraction of the potential punishment. But a message should be sent
He hasnt even been found guilty yet. The court has gone vigilante. Only reason to refuse bail is protect society or stop a flight risk. It is NOT supposed to be a punishment . Just stop and think what you are supporting. You actually want bail used as a weapon on the innocent?
If you do. You are helping accomplish the shooters stated mission. I am afraid most people now are.
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I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
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Speaking of closed down sites or suppressed content . A couple of subreddits have been shut down, partially due to the video/live stream of the shooting and the associated commentary. I think they've flirted with shutting them down historically around other terrorist footage, but this seems to have been the final straw. Not 100% sure if it's to protect Reddit from being seen as linked to 4 or 8chan, or the owners protecting their rep/income. The big news subreddit closure was watchpeopledie which had all sorts of stuff, accidents and the like alongside shootings and other nasty stuff. Grim stuff but not all about war or terrorism etc.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
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@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
I did not read it. I went by what canefan said.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
Yup that’s my feeling too, couldn’t help but feel the above posts missed that detail in the story
I did not read it. I went by what canefan said.
I only caught it mentioned during the news report on tv, I went into the article to confirm it.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil Ahhhhhhh that is interesting. Hopefully he was denied bail to protect us from him copycatting. I hope so
I think that was the case. I gather they discovered his “target acquired” photo of the main attacked mosque (which he allegedly posted on social media a week before the massacre) and perhaps he was a little to enthusiastic/pre-prepared to share the video, perhaps looking like he had prior knowledge...
It’ll come out in the end, but I’m happy he’s behind bars until the next court appearance and it’s all worked through.
I saw somewhere today that Facebook has deleted or blocked the video from being uploaded 1,500,000 times so far, so on the face of it there’s something more to this one.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@Virgil Ahhhhhhh that is interesting. Hopefully he was denied bail to protect us from him copycatting. I hope so
I think that was the case. I gather they discovered his “target acquired” photo of the main attacked mosque (which he allegedly posted on social media a week before the massacre) and perhaps he was a little to enthusiastic/pre-prepared to share the video, perhaps looking like he had prior knowledge...
It’ll come out in the end, but I’m happy he’s behind bars until the next court appearance and it’s all worked through.
If that is the case I'd happily stand corrected on the refusal of bail until it is investigated.
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@Donsteppa said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
I saw that one on the news, and thought the denial of bail probably has much more to do with the “target acquired” imagery prior to the attack than anything to do with sharing the video.
I wonder whether either some of the details of the charges have been suppressed/under-reported, or if further charges such as conspiracy with the main offender are pending.
I wanted to make that point but making and eating dinner got in the way 👍
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:
@canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.
I agree. Bail should have definitely been granted. If convicted he will probably not get a custodial sentence so denying bail seems extreme, borderline petulant on the part of the police and honourable judge.
I should point out that sharing the video was only one component of the crime. He also posted a message in support of the killer.
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